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Re: Spring Breakup with Samyang fisheye

DennisS said:
Judy,

You need to tilt up a little more or take a separate Zenith shot. You can clearly see the area where all your pictures come together at the top. Otherwise, looking good.

Dennis

I don't think what you are seeing has anything to do with the zenith shot or needing to tilt further. The "pinching" effect is the fault of the software (or the setting being used). The zenith shot would have covered this area, so it can only be the software. It could be something Smartblend is causing.

Regards, Smooth
www.smooth360.info

Re: My toy under construction

Presently it is for my own use. I have to crunch the numbers to see what it costs to produce since I now have all the programs proven. Oh no the dreaded iXXX I am hoping to have a simple bluetooth connection to start it. I have looked at Papywizard and may interface with that. I know nothing about writing apps and don't have the time to get into it.

Re: Best option ?

Itamar Viera,

You say

Samyang is a less expensive option. But it is in production? Couldn't find in BH or Amazon...

I think this is yet another iteration of the same lens on Amazon

www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/images/B002MR0L9Y/sr=...

This time it's a 6.5 mm, but that's something else about the Samyang family of identical twins. No one can decide their focal length. Neither can they decide what it should cost. On Amazon in the UK this version is a quite a bit more expensive than Samyang elsewhere and a lot more than Falcon on eBaY.

Mark

Re: HDR for Dummies

mediavets said:
Mathrafal said:
PS If anyone knows of an hdr processing program that actually has a user manual that is not head-up-the-arse and expects everyone to think on the same intellectual level as the author, perhaps they will tell me!
Maybe?:
www.mediachance.com/hdri/

www.mediachance.com/hdri/help/index.html

Andrew,
Have you worked with Mediachance?

Doug Aurand
Albuquerque, NM

Re: My First Tourweaver 5.0 Flash Real Estate Tour

vn2009
I haven't decided what to charge for the tours made with Tourweaver yet.

What you're seeing is actually 2 products put together

I charge $69 for the 15-20 HDR/Enfused still photos that were used in the tour

For a 4 scene virtual real estate tour, no still photos just virtual images. I charge $129.95.

Out of the $129.95 I have to pay $19.95 for distribution to Realtor.com and $5 for hosting.

Subtracting some other expenses, I estimate I make $165 for a home that I shoot both.

It takes about an hour to shoot the 15-20 stills and 45 minutes to an hour to shoot the 4 virtual tour scenes

I can shoot one in the morning and one in the afternoon with no problem

I hope to increase the charge for the "tour" by $20 to $149.95

What I may do in the short term is offer the Tourweaver tour at no additional charge for agents who order both stills and a tour of the same house to maximize the income from each home.

That would let me make $189 on one house and $378 for 2 homes shot in one day.

My ideal schedule would be to shoot 2 homes each day on Monday & Tuesday, spend Wednesday processing & posting them, shoot 2 more homes on both Thursday and Friday and process and post them on Saturday during the busy late Spring & Summer with a fewer orders in the late Fall and Winter

Later
Doug Aurand
Albuquerque, NM

Re: Viewpoint stitching

Thanks to Master Houghton my nadir increased the quality too!

Jon, I always shot HDR and it works fine for me. Just don't forget to link them!

Regards,
Thomas

Re: VR Object Movies

Oooh, I like it!
Time to check out KRpano, I guess.

Re: Windows 7 and Quick Time

No problem. I just when through this same thing a month ago.

Creating Rectangular faces instead of CubeFaces?

Is there a way to transform an equirectangular panorama into rectangular faces and setting the dimensions for those faces. This to be able to decorate an entire room (obviously not cubic) with a panorama, when viewed from the absolute centre of the room the panorama should display correctly!

Anybody an idea, I guess it 'just' takes some math but I'm not the person to go down that road

Re: Weird aliasing on export - help

4) Auto-align
5) Equalize (ONLY if lighting changed between frames!)
for “type”, choose “cylindrical JPG” and best size ration (%)” should be 100%. Set render area.
Set Blend method to SMART (This is how you do it Hans!)
7) click Render.
8) Create New Project
9) Re-Load pano from LOAD PANORAMA
10) Convert to QTVR

Andrew Baddeley
www.360tacticalvr.com
stores.ebay.co.uk/360tacticalvr

Re: Who is going to Tucson 2010 International Panoramic Photography Conference?

If you're wondering what Tuscon is like, John Law posted this great article to the conference forum back in January... to my detriment I only just read it. I'm now just as excited about the place as the conference.

www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/destinations/northamer...

Although I will say I'm also VERY happy to be seeing the Air Museum and Bone Yard while in Tuscon.

Google Satellite view of the Boneyard: bit.ly/cQeHNt

Air Museum Info: bit.ly/bz7lrS

Thanks, Aaron.
panedia.com

Tucson 2010 Panoramic Photography Exhibition (submissions open)

On behalf of the IAPP and the IVRPA, organizers of The Tucson 2010 Panoramic Photography Conference, we are pleased to announce the opening of submissions to the Panoramic Exhibition to be held on the Hilton Tucson East Hotel from April 14 to 18.

The Tucson 2010 Panoramic Photography Exhibition will showcase the current state of the art in panoramic photography.
This is not a photo contest, our aim is not to choose the best photo or attribute prizes, but rather a juried exhibition with the goal of assembling an exhibition to display a comprehensive collection of the different types of panoramic imagery currently being produced.

The rules for participating are simple:

* All submissions should be made trough the Tucson 2010 website using this form: tucson2010.com/panoramic-exhibition-form/
* We will only accept images captured from January 1, 2009 until March 28, 2010.
* The image needs to be exceptionally interesting artistically or technically.
* The maximum dimension of the prints we will accept is 110cm or 43 inches.
* The original photographs will have to be delivered in the Hilton Tucson East Hotel no later than April 12, 2010.
* All prints not picked up after the exhibit will become the property of Tucson2010 and retained for future exhibitions.

Please submit images following the above guidelines. Exceptions will have to be discussed with us, please e-mail any questions to exhibition@tucson2010.com.

Submissions will be accepted until March 28, 2010, but due to the short notice, we encourage everyone to submit their images as soon as possible as we need to plan the exhibition well ahead of our departure to Tucson.

Please note that, if you are attending the conference and want to bring your panoramic photograph to display, you are still required to fill the form to get approval to bring the images.
This is not a bring your photo and hang it on the exhibit panels. Even conference attendees that want to showcase their images will need to use the form.

We will do our best to build up a great exhibition and for that we look forward to your image submissions.

The Tucson 2010 Panoramic Photography Exhibition coordinators:

Carlos Chegado (Director IVRPA)
David Orbock (President IAPP)

Greetings

HI im don from Australia, just joined the forum and pleased to be here.
I shoot a D700 with 24-85 d nikkkor lens. Im using a nodal ninja5 panoramic head and TPGui pro for stitching.
I have just recently bought a Gaoersi 617 panoramic camera and shneider super angulon 90mm lens, to go with it. Waiting delivery and cant wait to get it.
I have my own web site dygphotography.ifp3.com .
cheers don ps you need http:// in front of the web address for some reason it wont post here

Re: Another little one bites the dust

Paul
Like you said, it all seems so obvious when some one points it out to you, like PhotoWebUSA did for me.

Note that I usually don't change the light bulbs for my lower paying real estate tours and just deal with the light I have for the hour I'm in the house.

Because the hotels are paying so much more and will use the images so much longer I have a different set of standards for my tours and photography

Good luck with the shoot

Doug Aurand
Albuquerque, NM

Re: El puro

Howdy next door neighbor

Visited your website 360photopro and left you an email.

Re: SONY Bloggie, 360 degree video!

I hate it when they don't tell you the prices up front and ask you to ask them for the price.

I guess if I have to ask -- I can't afford it....

Re: PTGUI Control points

There is no need to "size" your image. Let PTGui stitch the images at maximum output size. Import to Pano2VR and set your tile size to 1600 and adjust the quality to meet your output size. For a single panorama I think <3mb is a good target to achieve. Depending on content/colours/details etc you will most likely get the required results with compression quality set to around 65-70 on 1600 cube faces.

Should you want smaller size then downsize the cube faces and compress harder. It is always a trade off.

Regards, Smooth
www.smooth360.info

Re: Stopping image theft

Jon
But when I catch them using one of my images and ask them to remove it and they, then, ask permission, I tell them absolutely NO

Doug Aurand
Albuquerque, NM

Re: Geotagging with Canon

I'll be geotagging my photos when running around Tucson with my Canon 30D. I have an older Garmin trex 201, the size of a large wrist watch, that will be recording my foot steps around town and up the mountain trails. With the camera time in synch with the GPS tracker it will be easy to pin point where the panorama was taken.

I'm sure there are newer and better options but all you need is something to record Lat, Long & time. Canon doesn't give you the option to embed the GPS data into the EXIF while you're shooting. You'll need a Nikon camera to do than.

Phil

Re: round cropped & burnt sides in hugin

The final with some light LR:

F/S Canon 30D, Canon 10-22, 360 Precision Absolute, pano-kit, mint.

I am selling my pano-rig, composed by Canon 30D, Canon 10-22 and 360 Precision Absolute pano head. I have been the ONLY owner of all of the items and they have all been well cared. They are all in mint condition. Camera has 20,000 actuations and comes in it´s original box with all the original goodies. I will throw in 4 spare batteries (all Canon originals), and a remote shutter release cable (also Canon original). This fabulous kit gives amazingly easy to stitch images (thanks to the Absolute´s precise design) and gives beautiful high-res panos. I am only selling because I am going full-frame. Photos are available, I can also provide sample pano done with the equipment.

This is a great solution for someone looking for a complete setup, ready to produce beautiful-high quality panos right out of the box (no calibration or fiddling required). I will consider (serious) offers. Will pack lovingly and ship safely and ensured worldwide.

Please mail if you are interested: erik@esfera360.com

Thanks.

Re: its tax time in the US

that helps alot thank you.

Turntable- Manual

www.360tacticalvr.com/systems/object-vr-360-turnt...
pls add more

Turntable DIY-electronic

www.jasonbabcock.com/computing/breadboard/pantabl...
didnt anything3d once have one or two manual turntables? maybe it was another company.
do the gigapans have also constant rotation?

Re: Nikon D5000 Set-up

I must say I really love using the new lens/camera/panohead! I'm not exactly sure how to upload one yet, but i'll figure it out, and maybe i can get some feedback on any adjustments i need. Perhaps I need to get my website operational again in order to do this?

However, I was using Pano2VR before, so i've been using that for the trial period with that. I'm still working thru the software(s), but i believe i need something like pano2VR to make the panographic photo into a VR? or does PtGui do that too? I must say, i wish all software had the support that Pano2VR has on the garden gnome website!!

Re: KrpanoGUI cooming soon, invite test users now

DennisS said:
I have neither the money or knowledge to bring any idea to market.

You could licence it.

If you start selling something, someone out there will knock it off.

Or maybe not for the same reasons that you haven't brought the design to market.

That is the chance you take in today's world wide market. Sad but true.

That's always been the case.

However in the case of pano heads you are probably wise not to invest a lot in bring a new product to the 'middle' market. The pano head market will never be very large and there are already quite a few 'players', and Kaidan, a pionerring early entrant to the market, has already sadly gone bust.

OTOH if you pitched your novel head in the 'luxury' 'precision crafted' niche end of the market - like the 360Precision or the MK stuff then...But I doubt you'd get rich from it.

Andrew

Open Camera control

Read this on one of the tech blogs i frequent

seems interesting

www.hdrlabs.com/occ/index.html

Re: Q-Top MK edition (Made in Germany)

Hello Frank:

The manufacturer is located in the vicinity of Berlin.
Mr. Emmerich is in close contact with him and sell the blue Q-tops.
Through this contact we have produed a red MK edition with centered 3/8" thread, so it´s perfect to use it for panoramic photography...

These specially for us and our customers.

Best regards,

Marc

www.vr-head.com

Re: Best pano lens

adelash said:
I am working on a low budget project on my own time. I need to take the 360 view shot at an instance since I will be going over 30mph while taking the shots. I thought of getting 3 cameras with fisheyes and use a laptop to take the pictures at the same time but that would be an overkill. I am not a professional photographer and not looking for insanely high quality pictures. Amateur pictures will suffice for the purpose of my project. Undermining professional photography is not intended.

See:
www.diy-streetview.org/

www.diy-streetview.org/2010/02/02/streetview-rig-...

Andrew

Re: Do you have a favourite hour of day to shoot in outdoor??

Shooting in all hours of the day can be a great exercise in evaluating your environment. Seasons and weather are also great to explore. Try and explore them all. Like what they tell people who want to play guitar for example- "practice till your fingers bleed", and see what you can learn from it. "wax on, wax off" also comes to mind. You will be surprised how much of it can become "automatic" for you.

-There are times when you just want to (or have to) shoot at a particular time of day regardless. Under these circumstances, previous practice in positioning your shot to make the best of the circumstances can pay off.

-There are times when the subject is of more importance than time and thus you can wait for the most opportune moment of the day where the light is just where you want it.

- Sometimes you may have to shoot what might be a particularly "boring" subject. Doing so under dramatic lighting conditions can often contrast well and add greatly to the impact of the final image.

- Certain months (or even days) of the year can bring special moments in lighting that are great to capture.

"Manhattan Henge" is a great example:

See- tinyurl.com/ye5gypl

Where you are geographically can also bring up good opportunities. In Seattle, WA (USA) where I live, we are far enough north that for a short time during the summer the light from sunrises and sunsets shine onto the north faces of buildings. This is a great time of the year for getting shots in areas/places that I would not ordinarily do during other times of the year.

Versatility is a great skill to hone in any profession.

Have a look/read at this great piece of "Macintosh Folklore" which really drives home the point-

tinyurl.com/8yhlyx

Re: VR with a 28mm?

shotbyshot
You're right, all you're getting is lots of excess resolution

There's really no downside to using good fisheye lenses if the final output is on the Web.

The question becomes how much resolution do you think you need.

I make part of my living selling virtual tours so time is a major factor, shoot time and processing time.

So as long as I can get about 5000x2500 pixel equirectangular projectins from PTGui from 3 to 5 shoot postions (depends on the fisheye lens I use) with my 5-10 shot brackets for HDR/Enfuse compositing, I can make good use of my time and make a profit.

When I'm finished I usually make the final version of the images 750 pixel cube faces in Pano2VR which is approximately the same as a 3000x1500 pixel Equirectangular Projection at 80% quality.

It displays very nice at 600x400, but is a little pixelated at full screen

Later
Doug Aurand
Albuquerque, NM

Re: For mange greie

JON

It would be easier if we could see the source images and also what you actually used to enfuse them.
And what settings did you use. They are different for all the major applications.

Hans

Re: NN3 and Sigma 8mm For Sale

I'm interested, please let me know how much they are.

Re: Problems with the Nadir/Viewpoint Image

Shotbyshot, You have aligned the nadir image well with the viewpoint option, so do the following:

1. Select advanced mode.
2. On the Create Panorama tab, check only the nadir in the Include Images list.
3. Generate the panorama, calling it pan-nadir.tif, say.
4. In the Include Images list, select all images except the nadir.
5. Generate the panorama, calling it pan-main.tif, say.

6. You now want to extract an identical rectilinear nadir view from each pano. A simple way to do this is to generate cubic tiles with Pano2VR or with the free Pano2QTVR. Choose a tile size of pano width divided by pi (3.142).

7. Select the corresponding nadir tile images from each set and open them both in Photoshop. Then use the move tool to shift+drag the viewpoint nadir image into the other window where the main pano nadir is. The two will then be well aligned.

8.Create a big square selection covering about 90% of the image area and then goto Layer->Layer Mask->Reveal Selection.

9. Click the image thumbnail of the top layer in the Layers palette to select image editing mode. Adjust the top image so that the division between the sharp central area and the fuzzy surrounding edge vanishes. (Difficult to give exact instructions, but you need to use unsharp mask, hue/saturation, curves, exposure etc). You might also need to make use of graduated selections to adjust one side of the image without changing the other - see www.johnhpanos.com/gradtut.htm .

10. When you have a good match, edit the layer mask to route the seam exactly where you want it to be, and feather the edges by blurring the mask a little. (Click on the mask thumbnail in the layers palette to edit the mask with a black/white brush. Press \ to toggle the mask visibility as a red overlay. click the image thumbnail to exit mask editing mode). Take care not to alter the outer edge of the mask layer so that the tile will join seamlessly with the other tiles.

11. Flatten the image and save.

12. Now rebuild the equirectangular image from the main set of cubic tiles (which now contains the edited nadir). You use Pano2VR or Pano2QTVR again for this.

John

Re: Looking for some help in Detroit MI.

As always Smooth, thank you
Beagle

Re: Paris 26 gigapixel pano now on-line

Impressive!, thanks for the "how it was done" pages, very informative.
Gus

Re: Canon settings for sunny days and landscapes

Ok thank you very much Smooth, you have cleared most of my doubts, I really appreciate it

Will post back when I get something done, have a good day!

Re: what about Google Streetview - Jobs used it in his demo

Tom
Google's Streeview are pretty much "crap" everywhere.

They took a Quanity rather than Quality approach

Doug Aurand
Albuquerque, NM

Re: 0-360 One Shot Lens

Hey Vito,

I'd like to get myself a one-shot panorama solution and have been looking at the 0-360 and the pano-pro solutions. i'd like to learn from your co-worker's experience with the 0-360. could you give me some feedback and/or send an example project the 0-360 created?

many thanks.
michael

www.chili-media.co.il

Re: Using PTGui to align bracketed images

Dorin, You're right. I agree that in the case of rectilinear images, it's certainly preferable to use the actual focal length. For some reason, I had fisheye images in mind, and it's maybe not so straightforward to output in that same projection. (I was intent on maintaining the format of the input images). Out of interest, I found some handheld bracketed rectilinear images (20mm) and tried aligning them using different focal length settings - 20, 70 and 200mm. Oddly, the alignment using 200mm was best, though the differences were small. Misalignments caused by parallax were more significant. Automatic merging using fusion or HDR techniques would probably be problematical whatever focal length was used.

John

Re: problem with masking

Itamar, I have installed V8.3.3 and still can see no problem with the masks. The only way I can get blank windows for the warped thumbnails on the Image Parameters tab is to reduce the panorama output fov to be 60x60 degrees. When the output view is the entire 360x180, the images are always visible.

John

Re: Canon 5D MKII or 7D with 8mm Fisheye

Smooth said:
The Samyang is a sharper lens edge to edge. But you will have to shave it to use it on the full frame body.

...

Don't discount the Tokina 10-17mm Zoom fisheye it is a great option but again must be shaved to be used on the full frame 5DMKII

Lens Shave Service
www.360pano.de/en/tokina-sigma-nikon.html

Grtz Tobias

Auto Tour for "Picasso Museum Barcelona"

Hello again panographers,

Here is a tour of some recent work we have done using Tommy's moviebox plug in.

I also Would like to say this tour would not have been completed without the help of Hans Nyberg. So thank you again for your help Sir.

This part of the tour will be shown in the Picasso Museum in Barcelona for the next year while the current Cau Ferrat Museum is being refurbished.

9 mins long, just let it run.... enjoy.

www.virtualtours.es/downloads/cau_ferrat_auto_fin...

sapper

Nodal Ninja 5 L $260

For sale is an almost new Nodal Ninja 5 L, complete in a case. The set include extra discs. I have stopped using the NN5 due some disability issues. So, for someone, a bargain at $260, plus shippping. Contact me a dhm67@comcast.net.

Re: Nikon D90 set up for 3 shots

Itamar
If you really want just 3 shots, take a look at the samples on 360Precision.com where they used a Sigma 4.5mm on both a D3 and a D300

www.360precision.com/360/index.cfm?precision=prod....camlensinfolist

Good luck
Doug Aurand
Albuquerque, NM

Re: Pano Awards-Epson photo contest

James Rigg said:
Hans,

I think your comments about the Epson International Pano Awards are unfair. For a start, Epson does mention this competition, although only briefly:
www.epson.com.au/prographics/news/tradeshows/

Regards
James.

if you look at this list of news
www.epson.com.au/prographics/news/pressrelease/
You have a sponsored Epson photo contest as the first but there is no Pano Photo Award in the list.
That does not look like they are real sponsors.

Regarding using panoramas or panoramic as definition for any wide angle or tele images with a wide proportion cropped or made in camera I think it is a bad thing which confuses to much.
Then you can just as well put any images in same category wether they are single normal images 360 degree or what ever.

What about the mosaics the way Max Lyon and others do it. Most of what they do does not fit into the 2:1 ratio and they are also in most cases not allowed in other competitions as they do compositions that most normal photo contests do not allow.

Hans

Re: 64 bit Win 7?

DennisS said:
Now I have no reason not to stay with Windows 7 64-bit (other than it is not a MAC)

Some might say that's ALL the reasons you need to get rid of it ASAP

... and congrats on the Spyder!

Re: VR360PHOTO - Advanced Photo Services

Thanks, I'll change that ASAP.

Mattia

Re: Multiresolution with language localization and advanced auto-tour

Thanks, Trausti.
I'll check it.

M.

Re: Looking for talented photographers in Brazil

Hi,

Stop looking, You've got it.
www.flickr.com/photos/geranjos/

Re: Pixi object VR manual turntable

I've had great success with a homemade automated turntable.

I bought an AC powered display turntable online for $60.
I used an electronic darkroom enlarger timer, with a footswitch outlet.
I determined which 2 of the 3 wire connections are hot, and connected a flash slave trigger to those. The turntable is plugged into the enlarger outlet, of course.

Now I dial in the time I want the turntable to move between shots. My setup gives 109 steps per rotation at .4 seconds.

I use an on camera flash with an infrared filter on it so it emits no visilbe light, triggering my studio strobes.
There is a tiny delay between when the timer is triggered, and when the turntable starts moving. I think the delay is caused by the power relay in the timer, and it's enough for the flash exposure to complete before movement starts.

I shoot tethered, using Canon's EOS Utility Timer Shooting Tool, setting a generous 10-15 seconds between shots to prevent overheating my old Brownline Speedotrons.

The one drawback to this system that I see, is that the turntable does not index to precise positions. I compensate by shooting lots of images per rotation, so the movements are very small.

Re: Smart Phone VR

Hi guys-
I do know that my BlackBerry Storm shows 360 cylinders-unfortunately-they are Google Street View. Would love to be showing some 'real' stuff on it.

Re: cubic face size More

thanks a lot for all the replies.

Nick

Re: Wordpress Shadowbox Internet Explorer

Hi
I have used a different method for this in a wordpress website. Its a plugin called adavnced fancybox. See it working here www.tommyrosney.com/
Last time I checked it was working in all browsers

Re: Handheld Samyang - again

Mark Schuster said:
Is this the Putting the Booth in Method? Perhaps something Smooth is good at.

ROFL, well I'm better at it than your spelling! Is that a telephone booth?

Mark Schuster said:
Smooth, your putting the boot in method is unnecessary as a guide,....

..... Thanks for the idea.

If that is your finding and your happy, I'm glad for you.

I would suggest though, you would have less parallax errors in your panorama had you indeed followed my boot method.

Regards, Smooth
www.smooth360.info

Two Methods to Get HDR Panoramic Image

There are two methods.
One is to import Camera Raw file and to stitch it into 16 bit panoramic image.
The other is to get HDR image from bracket exposure, that is, to shoot several groups of images of the same object with different exposure value, batch stitch them and then combine them to get HDR image.

Re: running locally

if you are having problems locally and not online there must be some other issue. i doubt the motion hotspots cause much of an issue unless the pc is older than sin.

i have your link and hans link open at the same time and IE is using 150mb of ram but only 1-4% cpu. i am using a compaq nc8430 laptop. i have a huge multirez at home and have never experienced what you are describing and i use krpano everyday. everything runs smoother locally than online, always.

if i open my taks manager and spin your tour around in cirlces it uses from 50-80% cpu. idle it uses 1-2% hans images gives exactly the same results. 50-80% and 1-2% idle. hotspots have no effect at least on my pc.

Re: Large file PTGui Temporary Disk Space issue

Appreciate the feedback - good sized swap drive and dedicated scratch disk. Tried the drive letter change - no luck. I'm just going to up the C drive to 2TB so issue resolved.

Doing high resolution mosaics seems to stress the capabilities of hardware and software.
Soon we will see Terabyte mosaics popping up.
thx
Bill

Re: Precise calibration of the Omnipivot Pro Package from Really Right Stuff.

TriggerHappY said:
As posted above I just dumped in 6 images, 5 around and one zenith and used auto stitch without adding any control points. I do plan on doing another one later, but this stitch was just a test.
....
Have fun
Dylan

Dylan,

It's a nice scene for shooting a panorama. I'm eager to view the "better lighted and stitched" version that shall come soon, I hope.

I am wondering if auto-stitching has caused the obviously apparent abnormal slimness of one of the three legs of the tripod. Unlike the other two, it is on a seam. While NPP setting could possibly be involved, IMO and more probably this could be due to different other reasons: for instance, the PTGui blender engine may have been unable to face faulty warped images along that seam. The warping could have suffered from inadequate fisheye image correction coefficients, leading back to auto-stitching...

Regards,
Michel

Re: Basics on shooting photos for a panorama??

Thanks a lot for your explanations, I've added them to the article. I've also labeled them as "advanced".
I hope I understood the steps correctly.

I want to give you credit in the article for these tips but I don't how to link to you or write about you.
I'd appreciate if you could tell me, either here or by email to webmaster (_at_) efkhoury (_dot_) com

efkhoury

Re: Decision about Canon 5D Mark II

All very good points everyone. I knew I'd get an honest answer from all of you. I do like my camera and my lenses. Unfortunately I couldn't afford the Canon or Nikon systems and at the time for what i was doing Sony seemed to be the logical choice.

The quality is there in the images. For me it would be a big gamble and a learning curve to move to such a highend camera. As one person said to me today if you want to print wall paper go to full frame. The APS-C is great for what I am doing. Quote from an honest salesperson.

I'll take a look at some of these options that Smooth recommended.

Thanks Eveyone,

Robert

Re: A nice day in Bergen and not a church in sight

Mathrafal said:
I have tried to reconstruct the error you have with the sound button, but have not been able to reproduce that.

The problem with the sound button seems to have gone away in the latest version that doesn't autorotate.

John

Re: Which QuickTime Version&Installation don't support VR?

the current qt plugin for safari still supports qtvr in browser without the optional install of QT7, but under snow leopard you need qt7 to open stand alone qtvr .mov files on the desktop, etc

qt is basically dead as a format for panos, java vs qtvr is sorta like carrier pigeon vs fax here

sam
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Sam Rohn :: Panoramic Photography :: www.samrohn.com :: Location Scout :: www.nylocations.com :: New York City

Re: photo gallery

Wierd, but I really enjoyed it. Navigation was difficult, but that made it all the more enticing. I'm not even sure I've seen it all.

Re: Recommendations for pano sites?

viewat.org/

Re: Samyang 8mm on a Nodal Ninja R1 Ring Mount Pano Head

badders said:
Smooth said:
The reason for mentioning that I didn't think it was a good idea, was just so newbies don't get the impression it is the panohead for them for "normal" spherical 360x180 panorama shooting
Yes you're correct. Totally agree. Getting BOTH zenith/nadir to align using Viewpoint Correction nearly made my brain melt (And I'm supposed to know what I'm talking about....

The same shot but using the "NN3" was SO much easier to stitch.

Just for sport I stitched up your images after correcting the Chromatic Aberration. I did not mask or correct the tripod leg. The final panorama result I show is direct from PTGui.

www.yousendit.com/download/RmNCanZuQzNUWUJFQlE9PQ

After finishing I opened up your PTGui .pts file to compare. Seems we do things a little differently!

Most definitely not for newbies. Buy a NN3 or NN5 if this lens is your choice.

Regards, Smooth
www.smooth360.info

Re: Day with 2 new events

Thank you Valentin, I was glad to help

mediavets said:
photo41 said:
Dorin, very good results ; you've fully captured the moments in 360 degrees images
I now understand and unconditionally support the technology of stitchless panoramas.

Here is my panorama from the first event - the Job Shadow Day - where a number of children were introduced to this wonderful art and some questions were answered - the only one I could finish

www.360cities.net/image/job-shadow-day-5-march-20...

kind regards,
Valentin
They all look rather bored and sullen. Perhaps they are trying to look 'cool'?

Andrew

Andrew that's only because they have to wait 2 hour+ to play with the setup and make panos of their own
here's are the permalinks to panos made by the students

www.livepanoramas.com/event/jobshadow/?pano=034&y....14&p=27.47&f=63.43
www.livepanoramas.com/event/jobshadow/?pano=035&y....87&p=33.72&f=65.00
 and
www.livepanoramas.com/event/jobshadow/?pano=036&y....91&p=46.61&f=45.00

Dorin

P.s.

Sorry, the permalinks doesn't appear valid on panoguide, but is about these time entries
12:26
12:28
12:30

BTW to James please find a way for the links to work in these cases, or at least let be the text inserted in code tags unchanged

thanks

Re: Nodal Ninja 3 MK II - available in Hong Kong?

Doug thanks for the suggestion.

Bill, it's ok I understand. Thanks sir!

Edwin, uy nice to see you here too bro.

Nick, replied to your mail sir. Thanks!

Re: Featureless Blue Sky Zenith edits

A 16mm gives you a large hole even if you shoot the 6 around at zero.

Hans

Re: equipment used for panoramas & VT- new user

Cameras
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Canon 400D & Canon 5D Mk11 bodies

Lenses
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For 360's: Sigma 8mm F3.5 Fish Eye lens
For traditional static panoramics: Sigma 10mm-20mm Wide Angle lens (usually shot at 20mm)

Pano Head
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360 Precision Adjuste pano head (main work horse as interchangeable between above lenses, precise and rock solid)
Nodal Ninja Mk3 (used for when travelling light)

Tripod
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Velbon Sherpa Pro Carbon Fibre tripod (my work horse that is light but strong enough to follow me all around the world on my shoots)

Stitching Software
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AutoPano Giga for its ease of use, excellent GUI and interface into AutoPano Tour and KRPano for generating flash tours

Re: Should I wait for a high sun?

Michael
I use the method John and I suggested when I get flares or refractions opposite the light source like the sun.

Usualy the one I get are on the bottom half of the image because the sun or recessed lights that cause them are in the top half

Good luck
Doug Aurand
Albuquerque, NM

Re: Free panorama viewers on Max OSX

Hi John,

Yup, that's exactly the sort of thing I was looking for!

Seems to work well from an initial test on OSX, it loaded a 20mb file fine. So, that gives me something to play around with this weekend!

Many thanks for the info,

Leon

Re: Tucson 2010

its a pity iapp gave up its forum. a forum is not a list. certain informations can easier be found.

Re: Chile after the earthquake pano's

Tim Eastman said:
I hope you did not linger too long under that precarious looking bridge!

Same thought on my part... it's all broken away and on it's way down... to stand under it to get a good pano... not what I would do. The most I would be willing to do in such a scenario, would be to risk my automatic head with my cheapest camera attached to it... have a remote controlled car to drive it under the bridge, and get it out of there as soon as possible after the shooting.

I have seen accidents happen, and this place is an accdent waiting to happen... unless it's been fixed already.

Re: how to display an image from a hotspot Pano2vr??

Try this tutorial -- if you still don't understand, post your question on the Pano2VR forums. They are very helpful over there.

gardengnomesoftware.com/wiki/Hotspot_Tutorial

Re: 360's with an 8mm lens on my D700?

Well I've just tried the same shots in PTGui and h results are far better than Hugin! And it's just so quick! I've just paid for the licence for PTGui, will redo the church etc then!

Re: new user

yes mediavets ,
thank you very,very much for that.
slowly my picture is getting more clear on that.
Is there any tutorial, or something like a book on this?
Or all of pro people simply learn it by practice..
thanks so much..

Re: Creating equirectangular projection from 6 faces

Stuart Bentley said:
I have 6 square cube faces for a panorama. How can I make this into an equirectangular projection using PanoTools?

Hi Stuart,

I don't know how to make it with PanoTools, but I know that cube faces can be converted into a spherical panorama with Panoweaver.

Re: Sigma 8mm question...advice appreciated.

It appears the lens in question says "EX" so I am assuming it is the one without the preferred lens coat. This indicates that outdoor shoots with sun will be very difficult to control flare and color balance.

I am indecisive on what I should tell this individual to do. I was hoping that a professional photographer could deal with this lens' faults if they were aware ahead of time, but I don't want this to mean excessive work for me in processing (PS, etc) to combat the F4 EX's known shortcomings.

Re: production studio pano

TTurner
Looks good, I'm trading a 4 scene tour of a studio here in Albuquerque for using their Cherry Picker Truck to reshoot the panorama that I use for the header of VirtualAlbuquerque.com

I like that text below the image that encourages clicking the full-screen button....where have I seen that before??

Doug Aurand
Albuquerque, NM

Re: ATOME - Nikon 10.5mm and Sigma 8mm

Doug Aurand said:
Ion
Everybody bought and Nodal Ninja Ultimate R1 or R10.

Doug Aurand
Albuquerque, NM

I know....
Anyway, if there's someone intrested I can lower my price, just let me know.

Cheers, Wim.

production studio pano

Posted in wrong place.

Moved to galleries.

TTurner

Re: little map

vn2009 said:
i would love to see something similar with FPP.

..........

It would make deciding which player to buy alot more easy.

You have in no way made a bad choice, so don't even try to feel bad. KRP is a good player and delivers good results.

I will try to make a compilation of things that can be done with FFC, in a similar way as the KRP examples are presented, which should be a good way for people to compare the two. Of course my examples will be based on the combo of FPP+FFC, and not only FPP and the MANY plugins that are available for hand-coders, provided by Tommy Wirestam... to date he has made 26 fantastic plugins that are freely available for FPP users: wirestam.com/panos/Flash/plugins/

My situation is a little hectic due to the need to move to a new home, and that will impact on everything else I need to do... but I promise to do my best to provide something similar to the KRP features page.

@ Paul Elton:

As Terry points out, you only need Flashificator and Flash Panorama Player (separate purchase) to make things work... and you also need Adobe AIR (free component found here: www.adobe.com/go/EN_US-H-GET-AIR )

Flashificator is developed primarily on an iMac, but it works equally on PC's, which is the magic of Adobe's AIR platform.

The same file can be used for installing on either Mac or PC.

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Re: Compact and cheapest setup for bicycle touring/backpacker/hostel lifestyle?

i do have a question though about what FOV you use in your viewers normally. these ones ive been setting at 90, which looks fine when viewing an exterior shot, but when looking at an interior everything is so skewed. on a 4:3 monitor its alright, but then on a widescreen, instead of cropping the view, krpano or flash adds more to the sides which really distorts things. im thinking maybe 80 is a good compromise? its just that i dont want to do this all again for the 65 images. apt doesnt have a batch builder.

Re: Ok Tone Mapping

PTgui 8.3.6

Re: inside a Lamborghini Gallardo

Well just krpano... the one and only

the first pano is just photoshop black and white and 'brush the cars in' ..then after the turn it loads the next identical pano but fullcolor..
so easy

cheers
Tuur

Re: Pentax Kx - Samyang 8mm f/3.5 Sample

Andrey Ilyin said:
What is really nice with Samyang - the resulting pano is totally uniform in the terms of sharpness, the nadir is not softer than the rest of the image (like it is with Sigma and Nikkor).

Absolutely, the Samyang is the sharpest edge to edge Fisheye I own.

The result from the budget Pentax Kx and Samyang is a excellent get in point for a DSLR and Fisheye combo. Still, people should try and think ahead. Will the Pentax suit you tomorrow?

Regards, Smooth
www.smooth360.info

Re: Tutorial on stitching panoramas with people in them

DennisS said:
With all the questions about shooting people in groupes, here is a very simple explanation on stitching a panorama when the people are moving around. Not too many details. More of an overview.
www.dlsphoto.net/Tutorials/Crowd_Demo/CrowdDemo.h...

Wow, good work! making magic

Re: Panos in very small spaces

dlsphoto.net/Turtles/Turtles.mov

Nikon D300, Nikon 10.5mm, NN3 mounted directly onto a steel plate. 6 around, 1 up, 1 down, 1 hand held down. You can see the imprint of the steel plate in the Nadir shot. Next time I try something like this I would use a Sigma 8mm lens with the NN Ultimate R1 at 5 degree tilt. 5 shots total with fewer seams to worry about.

japanese afternoon

Hi, just returned to an event, half of the panos yet to be uploaded, this is completely automatic version from jpegs (ISO 1600 f/stop 3.5).

www.livepanoramas.com/event/japanese-afternoon/

Dorin

Re: first timer

misu cucu said:
I did play with autopano but I could not get a good result. the images were not multires but a highly compressed lowres. So I stayed out of it.

I am not sure whether it's possible to use the multi-res capability in Autopano Tour unless it is a full licensed version; certainly you must have an unlimited domains license for krpano to enable multi-res in Autopano Tour.

Andrew

Re: printed CDs/DVDs

Hi Sid,

Not wanting to appear to be advertising the services of the third party, I have found this company to be extremely competitive for both presentation and audio CDs:

www.short-run.co.uk/

You can start with as many as you like, just have the CD label printed (they laquer it onto the CD so that it has that professional edge) and burn them yourself, have the complete thing done, have an assortment of cases and have inserts printed. They will send them overseas, but I am not sure how that stands in Greece with import duty and payment of VAT outside the UK - I know that in Norway, the VAT is not payable, but import duty is.

Couldn't recommend them high enough. Contact name is Nick.

You can also have a single one made and sent to you to see if it is what you want.

Jon

Bing’s new streetview and augmented-reality mapping

flash360.net/fullscreen-flash-virtual-tours-showc...

Re: 8mm, 15mm both 180º?

Andrew,

So you did & a very informative answer it was. I think I'll go with the Samyang

Sorry for posting twice.

Richard.

Re: Panoramic Mountain Hiking

mediavets said:
DennisS said:
Other than small text (my poor eye sight), no viewing issues.
'other than small text' ..... surely that in itself is an indication of poor usability?
Andrew

I have dual 24 inch monitors set at 1920x1200. Text always appears small. If I were to run, say 1440x900, the text would be fine. It is not just an issue with the mountain panorama web site, but all web sites. I make liberal use of IE8's zoom function when text gest too small for me to read. Nothing to do with the web site, but my eyes.

Re: 8mm, 15mm both 180º

Richard,

The Sigma 15mm FE is designed for use with fullframe sensor DSLRs.

Your D90 is a 1.5x cropped sensor DSLR.

The Samyang 8mm is a fullframe fisheye, providing 180 degree FOV on the diagonal, on the D90; the Nikkor 10.5mm FE works in the same way; likewise the Sigma 10mm.

The Samyang offers the most bang for the buck amongst FE lenses. The Nikkor 10.5mm FE would also be a fine choice for your D90 if you can afford it.

Andrew

Centennial Hall - UNESCO World Heritage treasure

Centennial Hall in Wroclaw:
zieba.wroclaw.pl/hala/hala.html
Jan

Re: Motorized Panohead

Thomas Krueger said:
mediavets said:
Yes, but he made these for himself and has no wish to make them for sale.

Ask him.

I did.

Andrew

Adding a presenter to a tour

Hellow everybody

I have just bought a videocamera. The idea is that I want to start adding a presenter in the tours. The hotel manager, restaurant hostess, a receptionist or someone else who welcomes the viewer and perhaps tell a bit about the company.

Now that I have to start I am wondering how to shoot the video. I imagine there are 2 options:

1) I record the presenter on a green screen and add him/her to the tour.

2) I set up the video camera right next to my 360gear and shoot the video from the same position. Later I then edit in the presenter.

Does any of you have experience with either of these methods?

I have seen this example: www.azlan.com/vt/index.htm

Here Adrian had someone else shoot the prensenter using a green screen, and the result is absolutely amazing!
But it seems like a very hard way to do it. I would imagine that there is a huge challenge with the lightning when you shoot the presenter at the clients location. You can't control the lights and that might make it very hard to edit out the green screen. Or so I imagine...

But I guess if I shoot the presenter from the same angle as the camera, I will also have a hard time blending the video seamlessly.

What to do - what to do???

Regards
Morten

Re: Big job - needs big panos - any advice for full screen resolutions (25" tablet table)

We have all (or most) of the viewers showing an 8000x4000 pano here:

www.panoramaphotographer.com/comparisons/web/

Note that if you are opening a pano from the local disk, it's 10 times faster than over the internet -- unless you have a really high speed connection.

Re: We're not in Kansas Anymore Toto (just for Smooth)

Thanks guys, but no one notice I misspelled Kansas

Yea, and funny Mathrafal "a different light" lots of them! And nothing being smoked here, just an open mind to whats possible now with Flash - that is ANYTHING, just a matter of budget and need.

And Smooth, I'm not odd, just thought you'll like to see something not church like, which you've said many times before you're tired of pano's of churches - if they are well done and interesting churches or chapels I like them, here's a couple for you and everyone else

www.robertharshman.com/360vr/vr-4.html

And Ken, guess your not a fan of modern installation art or find this particular one lacking. Perhaps you had to be there, in the original the lights were driven by a sound sensor so you stomped on the floor to make them change. The closest I could get to that was letting you pause it and use any key to cycle them.

Regards,

Robert

Spheron VR for sale

Selling a Spheron VR. Camera, lens, tripod, laptop, case, extra batteries and manuals all included. View images at www.mpk-photo.com/spheronweb

This camera has very light useage. Asking $28,000

Mark Kelly mark@mpk-photo.com

Re: really struggling to stitch these images....

Stu, What you should do is to set the images roughly in position before optimizing - preferably (and most easily) by applying a template, to set the lens parameters too. Otherwise use the fill yaw button on the Image Parameters tab and set the pitch to the known nominal value. It all helps to get consistent results.

John

Re: VR - the real thing! An oxymoron?

badders said:
A long time ago, a company far far away... Was called "OmniView"...

I've a feeling many of you felt a shudder at the very mention of the name...

Yes, but they thought using 360x360 was better and dumped the name. The term is correct and for whatever relationship they had with it was a very, very long time ago. Imatronics viewer is called Omniviewer so the term has a long standing in this industry. I feel this only add credence to the use in our industry.

Omnipix, Omnifoto, Omnivista, Omnivue, Omniscene, Omniturn, TrueOmni, Omnispace, Omnisphere, Omnipan, Omnipano, Omnipanograf, Omniphotographer, Omni8, Omni360, 360Omni, ActualOmni, Omnilens, Omniworld, RotoOmni etc.

How long before these URL's are snapped up?
Get your skates on!

Regards, Smooth
www.smooth360.info

Re: Video VS Panorama

They tried and managed to get 4 months "trial" deal. I have no idea what the price is they charge, or if they offered it as a freebie or a cooperation move of some kind. I simply don't know. The way I presented the possibilities to them, was that they could make money from this, and that I would have no hand in it, unless they wanted me to (paying me). They chose not to... so I know nothing more.

I did a couple of panos for a bar, where the owner sold video ads to a beer company he had dealings with. His deal resulted in lower purchase price for the beer, for I don't know how much, but the beer company was more than happy to buy the space.

2 weeks later, the owner had sold the bar, using the panos as the reference links in his newspaper ads. He had been trying to sell it over 6 months, only providing stills upon request through email, and no one was interested... he thanked me for the panos, and was sure those did the trick in selling the bar.

So from my point of view, I am absolutely sure that the concept has proven itself, but only time can tell if it is a concept that will grow into a standard tool for businesses. It all comes down to how it is applied, and that it doesn't take the viewer's attention away from the main product being advertised, as you also pointed out.

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Re: What player to use?

Henri said:
Hi all,
Can I ask which panorama player you are using?
It's been a little while since I made pano's.
I used to use FPP (FlashPanoramas Player) but I have a feeling that it is no longer getting updated and players like KRPano have since past it in functionality.

Hi, Henry,
I'm using Tourweaver and Panoweaver panorama player. You could also give it a try.

Best regards,
Tacy

Re: Fisheye for Canon G11

A much better lens is available for not much more. The IPIX/Soligor is said to be almost as good as the FC-e8 and much cheaper.

store.nodalninja.com/category_s/61.htm

Look toward the bottom of the page.

And I have a Tokina x.22 with adapter rings I'll sell you for $75. It's like this one --

cgi.ebay.com/Tokina-22x-Wide-Angle-Fisheye-Lens-f...

Zeiss f3.5/18mm Distagon T*ZF Nikon F Mount - $900

Zeiss Ikon Wide Angle 3.5/18mm Distagon T* ZF Series Manual Focus Lens - Nikon F Mount.
EXCELLENT - MINT CONDITION.
Used very little and with white velvet gloves. Includes original box and paperwork, lens hood, cap etc.
This lens new sells for $1240.
I will sell mine for $995 + free shipping domestically or internationally (USPS International Express).
Shouldn't last long at this price.
Bill

Re: Eye clinic virtual tour

Well looks like that NN is serving you well
I enjoy viewing other peoples panoramas and surprised no one commented on your excellent work so I just had to.
Viewing panoramas inside workplaces like this is interesting because it gives us a look inside one's country and day to day living. Even though everything is in Russian we can still find items we can identify with. In this set I saw the exact same LG Flatron monitor I once had - hmm - never thought it would end up in Russia.
thanks for sharing....
Bill

Re: Why to resize?

Yes, for me it's better to load the 11724x5862 image, and you can have the 8000x4000 in mind to create the cubefaces (maybe 8000/PI this is 2546x2546). So, Pano2VR must convert the 11724x5864 equirect into 2546x2546, if you use the best interpolator the quality will be better, because only one conversion/resizing.

regards!

Re: size of the skin bars

oh, Ok I understand

Thanks Seba and Trausti

Re: interactive animal map

the zoo is doing remodeling. once that is done it will expand. when clicking on the animal it will bring you into the animals habitat. i showed them the 360 someone posted here inside the lions cage and they loved it.

Re: Just Another Car Interior

Smooth said:
Again, why would anyone do this?

There are many crazy scenarios to be tested when checking player behaviour, including things that one would not expect anyone to do ... but then someone does those things anyways

I came across this behaviour of pano2vr when I had zoomed out and it took place when I zoomed in (normal speed, no jerking). In that first time encounter, there was a bright coloured object in the photo in the very spot where the corners twist, and It was impossible not to see the movement.... ever since then, this error sticks out like a sore thumb to me.

Firefox shows this more clearly than IE, Chrome and Safari.

Re: Panorama around a car?

nullen_void
Using Trausti's circle on the ground, you just mark the degrees aound the circle, put you camera & tripod on the first postion and a monopod on the opposite on the other side.

The line some part of the monopod up in center of the viewfinder, that way you;re shoot straight across the cirlce. Start with the camera at 0° with monopod at 180°, then the camera at 10° with monopod at 190°, and so on

After lining the camera up, move the monopod out of the shot so it won't be in the picture.

Doug Aurand
Albuquerque, NM

Re: equrectangular to mpeg2 1080p

I tried pano2movie demo. the output is pal/ntsc sd/hd, and everything else, jpeg (or png) sequence. so you need to be careful choosing the output folder. you can apply whatver codec you need after importing the file sequence in an editing software's timeline.
thanks.

Re: How to Optimized Quality and Download Speed

I will try this. I was under the impression that it was here (conversion of Tiffs to JPGs) was were I got my file size reduction. Should I let this adjustment take place in Pano2VR? Thanks for your input. I'm an advanced amateur who is self taught. I really appreciate all the help of everyone.

A little one bites the dust...

This is the Residence Inn North in ALbuquerque that needed a reshoot after they renovated and redecorated the hotel. I shot it before in 2005

Its was shot with a Coastal Optics 4.88mm on my Canon XTi

www.vabq.com/resinnabqnorth/index.htm

I'm having iPIX versions of the images made so they can use them on Marriott.com where they still have the Pool scene from 2005

I'm hoping I can leverage this virtual tour into tours of the other Marriott products in ALbuquerque; 2 Fairfield Inns, a Town Place Suites, 2 Courtyard and 2 Marriotts.

Doug Aurand
Albuquerque, NM

Re: Going nuts with Sigma SD14 and Canon FD 15mm....

Erm... what if i would like to stick with Panotools...?

Panowalker 2.0 beta is released

Panowalker 2.0 beta is released!

New features include:

*Support multiple paths
*Support adding hotspot (Link to Panorama, Popup Image, URL)
*Publish to the local, full screen of player is supported
*Publish Flash virtual tours with walkthrough effect (Support the transition effect Everyscape when scenes switch)
*Support the background music as .mp3

View a sample virtual tour in Panowalker Gallery (www.easypano.com/pwk2-gallery.html).

Check more information about Panowalker and download free trial: www.easypano.com/product-51_439.html

Best Regards,
Carolyn

Re: creating a skin with borders

Thanks a lot Seba

Your comments helped me....

Re: Lumiang Cave, Sagada, Mt. Province, Philippines

Hi John,

Thanks. There are so many scenic spots to shoot here. I can tour you around if I am free (I have day job). Check my travel photos here to get an idea of where I have been to and possible where you can go also:

thezane.multiply.com

I have contacts/guides and itinerary that I can share with you as well.

Rgds,
Edwin

Re: Google Earth Panos...The

Thomas and Jon,

Thanks for the info....I figured reconstructing panos would be a stretch. However, what about playing a Google Earth vid that was created in Google Earth and not tinkered with?

It seems to me that Google Earth Pro ($400) promotes the export of video for people to use on their website, etc..I think in one of their promo examples they even used the verbiage (and I'm paraphrasing) that Google Earth is useful in business applications to give your clients a better understanding of your business, etc...

So what about embedding the video into the pano as part of an interactive feature? A video that Google allows you to create as an existing use of their software?

Thanks again guys....

James

Wines Cellar in Mendoza, Argentina

Hi People!!!
this is my new tour. The client is a wines cellar in Mendoza, Argentina:

Los Toneles Virtual Tour: www.ciudadesferica.com/tour_virtual/index.php?id=...

If you like wines, then you MUST visit Mendoza some time. There are thousands of cellars and from this region comes some of the best wines in the world.

This wines cellar is one the nicest, and it keeps its ancient atmosphere.

Also, for this tour i release my new standard interface.

I hope you enjoy it!!!

Re: Dallas Fort Worth Snow - AGAIN

Ummm, you're NOT supposed to use the term "Global Warming" anymore... It's "Climate Change" now... This way, they'll be able to say "toldja" no matter what the weather does

Re: Low Lighting and Major Stitching Errors

Hi Everyone,

Been laid up with work so I wanted to chime in on the discussion.

Now that I have a better understanding of how things work I would have to say that the stitching was easier than when I first tried. Really it's thanks to everyone who weighed in. I've also learned some new tips from this discussion. I'll try my next shoot at 10 degrees down instead of 15 which should streamline.

I'm sure there is a lot more to learn.

Thanks again.

Robert

Re: Overkill, or...?

Shutter durability is a big part of the different between the entry and mid level cameras most of us use and full frame sesnor professional cameras.

But cost is a big difference too, I can wear out 2, almost 3, of the new 18mp Canon 550D's for the price of a 21mp Canon 5D MKIII

Or 4 15mp Canon 500D's

And its very unlikely anybody could tell the what type of camera was used in the final versions of virtual image

Doug Aurand
Albuquerque, NM

Re: Pans from the Olympic

FPP+FFC - the Olympic choice

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Poor man's virtual tour with Dermandar

Hello,

This is a very interesting article on creating a virtual tour for free using Dermandar: www.efkhoury.com/easy-free-panoramic-virtual-tour...

I appreciate any feedback,
Thank you

Re: Another one bites the dust....

DennisS
I may try shooting the next hotel with the 7.5° tilt for all the scenes, but also shoot a Zenith, just in case I have trouble with the alignment because of the plain uniform room ceilings

How the shadows of the ceiling come together has been the problem with the room I didn't tilt and didn't shoot a Zenith. I was planing to quickly edit the Zenith "hole" and it wasn't quick with shadows from multiple light sources on the ceiling.

I probably won't shoot anything with a ceiling like a hotel room until the next hotel for MCM Hotels, so it'll be a month or so

Later
Doug Aurand
Albuquerque, NM

Re: Biosphere2

On quite serious notes:

If you ever decide to come and visit Peru, I would be honoured to keep you company, and even drag you around from one church to another... the architecture is quite amazing in many of these buildings... and often they have spent a small fortune on the interior.... and at least here in SA, it has resulted in some amazing sights.

Come down here, and I will keep you busy... only thing I request, is that you aren't afraid of a few cold beers between locations

Anyone else coming down here in the summer heat (now) has the same offer... or if you don't like churches, we can figure out different things to visit.
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Re: parallax problem

The result you get will very much depend on where the control points are placed and which blender you use. You cannot get the background and foreground elements to align perfectly all at the same time. However, misalignment will not necessarily be evident in many places, depending on where the blender places the seam line. Assigning points manually on features at approximately the same distance from the camera and using Smartblend for blending gave this result (after a couple of attempts):

John

Re: Nodal Ninja Help

Just remove the rotator from the NN3 and there is a 3/8 thread you can mount directly at the top of the 300N rotator from your 303 head.

BTW if your 300N rotator is difficult to to set in the clickstops, just remove the knob and drop a few drops of oil into the hole while rotating.
It makes wonders.

Hans

hellp needed with fullscreen problem

We have serious problem with site based on vr photography.
The problem regarding fullscreen mode and actionscript.
Situation can be seen here kosior.bigmint.pl/project/show/2
I will be trully gratfull for hellping with that issue.

Thank You

Re: Pano2VR Full Screen button not working from Pop Up Window

hey doug, np -

they also seem to have wrapped the entire tour in a flash thing somehow, i think the fullscreen call is being applied to this virtualtour.swf, and not the individual pano2vr swfs - but i don't really work with flash other than for single panos, and dreamweaver never made any sense for me, wordpress and a text editor seem better suited to my needs -

here are some of my (Pano2VR) panos displayed with a similar script, fullscreen works fine here -

www.lucapizzaroni.com/news/krada-exhibition-virtu...

sam

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Sam Rohn :: Panoramic Photography :: www.samrohn.com :: Location Scout :: www.nylocations.com :: New York City

Re: am i getting (shanghi'd) ???

It is someone who has saved your page with the stat counter script on his own computer.

So you get a hit in the stats each time he opens the page.

It very normal when the pages are cached or saved on someones computer.
You can see the same if you open your own site locally. And if you have not excluded your IPnumber.

Hans

Re: about SIGMA 10mm F/2.8 EX DC Fisheye...

thanx smooth

Re: Horizontal axis level during viewing?

Thank you. I'm sure I will be back at a later stage with more queries.

Re: How to calibrate the canon 1ds mark III and sigma 8mm and ....

When I said "blowups", I meant large 2 x 3 foot posters or the 11.75 x 36 inch panoramic posters I'm getting started producing

Like the one I'm making of this stadium.

Note the distortion/warp

Doug Aurand
Albuquerque, NM

Re: mac world cover creation.

Hi Fatchai,

Yes, I have seen this clip before - if only clients new how much work goes into a shoot!

Re: Starting out - Need Advice on Wide Lens, Technique & Uploading to Wordpress

nullend_void said:
Is the sharpness/quality of a fisheye that far off compared to a lens at 24mm perhaps? This is because I'd want my panos to be sharp for zooming in.

Logic tells you the 24mm would be superior and contain more pixels. But you are always limited with file size vs download times etc. You need to see examples and show examples on what you require. If this really important to you look to KRPano as the viewer because it offers multi-res layered tiling for zoom.

nullend_void said:
Is there a site which provides an estimate on the # of rows & pitch to use or is this all by estimate then just remembering the setup?

www.vrwave.com but it is limited to basically wide angle and fisheye lenses.

In the end you need to learn how to find the No Parallax Position. Being told a setting is not the answer.

Regards, Smooth
www.smooth360.info

Re: Lens choice?

Dik2 said:
Canon 5DMkII, Manfrotto/Kaidan hybrid spherical VR pano head.
I want to shoot high resolution spherical views, with the camera on a dining table, surrounded by food and place settings and the restaurant and outside view. I'm looking for best image quality, and stitches without errors.

Without errors? That will depend on you finding the No Parallax Position of the lens to rotate around and a certain amount of knowledge with the stitching software.

Dik2 said:
I have an excellent Tokina 17mm, that handles flare amazingly well, and is nice and sharp, but it has mustache distortion. Also have Sigma 14mm, more DOF, but not as good with flare and also has mustache distortion.

Distortion is of no consequence, this is corrected with the stitching software.

Dik2 said:
Do these lenses have a single NPP for all angles of view?

Yes, but this point floats somewhat in fisheye lenses depending on how the angle of light enters.

Dik2 said:
Will AutoPano or PTGUI handle the distortion and yield error free stitches? Even when the view has critical detail from 12" to infinity?

See answer number 1

Dik2 said:
If not, and I buy a Canon 15mm Fish-Eye, won't the NPP difference across the FOV cause stitching errors for the nearby stuff?

No, not if you set up correctly.

Note: Using anything other than a fisheye will require multiple rows of images. The more images the more potential and likelihood of getting stitching errors because of a number of factors.

Regards, Smooth
www.smooth360.info

Re: Pixilated preview in PTGui

What preview are you talking about.
If you generate a preview in the tab "Preview " you have control of the size. Just change it to what you need. The larger you set it the longer it takes.

The one generated from the editor depends on the size of the window.

Hans

Re: Samyang revisited

It must be an Islandisk thing... It cannot be Norwegian or Swedish, since most run a mile if you go

BOOOH

AAAAAAARGH

STEAK AND KIDNEY PIE

Or am I mistaken?

Jon

Re: New to 360o panos

nvlass said:
another question is if I make the 360 panos with canon 15mm fisheye can I make two versions of panoramas, lets say one for a interactive panorama and one for printing ? without distortions?

These pages may provide some insight:
www.cambridgeincolour.com/tutorials/image-project...

www.autopano.net/wiki-en/action/view/Understandin...

Andrew

360 video from Vancouver CNBC

today.msnbc.msn.com/id/35372905/ns/today-today_in...

just a tv show - from Immersive Media looks like. Hopefully more later.

regards,

Elizabeth

Re: Oly E-3 + Zuiko 12-60mm

Thanks John. Now I have purchased the camera... anything else would have been plain stupid.

The camera body is NEW, and so is the lens.

Here in Peru the prices on new cameras are normally 2-3 times the prices in the US... and Olympus gear is very uncommon here.... and that happens to be my preferred brand.

On amazon this combination is found for (upto) $4.566 : tinyurl.com/Oly-12-60-Zuiko ... which would make a price of over $9.000 here NORMALLY.

I got the camera for $1.230, and it has only 517 actuations ... that's only from people trying it out in the store.

This purchase was darn lucky... beyond anything I could have hoped for. I have 1 year guarantee on it as well (consider that good here in Peru) and now I only need time to play around with it. The pictures that come out of it, are incredibly sharp and nice, and the autofocus is really fast and precise. Something the E-520 always had a problem with.

I am happy. This was the best buy of the year for me.

Re: html5 replace flash?

mediavets said:
Ron Simkins said:
It is not simply the "poor" CPU performance of Flash that irritates Apple. It is primarily its proprietary nature. All Flash developers are ultimately still dependent on Adobe. Hence, Apple's push for HTML 5 and the open standards that it wants with it.

Is this a joke?

Everything about Apple is proprietary and Apple does everything it can to keep things that way.

Apple as a promoter and devotee of Open Standards? I don't think so!

IMO it's not the proprietary nature of Flash per se that irriates Apple - it's that it isn't their proprietary product.

Of course it could have been if they had snapped up Futuresplash before Macromedia did, or if they had snapped up Macromedia before Adobe did. Perhaps Jobs reputation as great visionary is not really deserved?

Andrew

yep it's all proprietary except the web standards stuff. which needs to be open, what's your point ?

Re: My simple holding page

I thought you were going to replace the stolen interface elements you are using?

www.panoguide.com/forums/qna/6587/

Wouldn't want www.virtualspaces.com to start on the wrong foot.

Re: Presentation CD

Mathrafal said:
Hi Guys

Thought it might be fun to show you a tour I recently posted, created using a clever little program called Webcompiler from X2Net (www.x2net.com/webcompiler/index.htm).

Jon

I've used Webcompiler for various projects over the years.

It is indeed a clever program.

But the output from Webcompiler (a Windows program) can only be played back on Windows PCs, and IIRC it does require that you have MS Internet Explorer installed on your PC - as it uses the IE 'engine' - it doesn't have to be your default browser but it does have to be there.

This wan't an issue for me but...

Andrew

Re: Panorama to video frames, II

Dear Michael,

The thread "Extract frames from Panorama" can be found in these forums. It was current until about 6 months ago. (Thread #72 from now, last reply: 10 Jul 2009 at 18:04).

What I do is:
Take a cylindrical panorama;
Extract an image from the lefthand side;
Then move through the panorama extracting successive images, each spaced by pixel/image increments;
This series of images (like film frames) is then assembled to AVI or MPEG format

So the process is not turning video into panoramas, but the other way around.

Please ask if you have any other questions.

Love Basel, have some cool friends there (at least, in Muttenz).

Latest video on youtube (see channel above) - Teide y Montana Blanca - has barreled and 3d (fisheye) distortions.

Re: PTGui configuration question for PTGui and Hugin users

John Houghton said:
I've just done some more checks. When simply moving the cursor into position, Ctrl+ALT are both needed to slow the movement down. When dragging an existing point, Ctrl alone is sufficient, but both may be used.

John

Yes, same for me... John, thanks for the tip: "Checking the "Help for this tab" page"... Hadn't used that yet and it's a great feature!

Re: Testimonials

Jorgen
I haven't gotten any written testimonial from the Texas hotel company, or any verbal statements worth quoting yet, but then I've only delivered one tour as of today. They second will go out on Friday

The best tesimonial I've gotten so far is that they keep ordering tours and stills shoots for their other hotels.

The Texas hotel chain is a small independent chain that only has properties in Texas and New Mexico, sorry none in France, but the statements I'll be looking for is any benefits they experience selling rooms, banquests & receptions.

That's the testimonial other hotels will listen to, one that effect their bottom line, regardless of the brand name.

Later
Doug Aurand
Albuquerque, NM

Re: Will panoramas work on iPad?

One panoramic solution for iPhone and perhaps iPad that may be somewhat
overlooked is MoblVR - www.moblvr.com

Doesn't use Flash (uses Javascript as far as I know) to present Panos from JPEG cubefaces, pinch/zoom function and info page and multiple tour list.

Good value and fast support when I had a problem first trying to get it to work.

I understand Pangea is more like a database and you can store panos on your iPhone for presentation.

Don't think this app does that but for Iphone web apps/sites, this does a pretty good job I reckon. As for the iPad, since MoblVR is not flash based, might be workable??

For anyone with an iPhone (OS 3.0 required), here's an example of a pano presented on the iPhone incarnation of my main site.
iphone.shoppeek360-fukuoka.com/tours/outside/bepp...

Re: Magnetic AutoTrigger Rotator

Custom_PabloC said:
AZ Chopper:

Please need your help, what is best Helicopter (maybe Trex 450 or 600? to make aerial panos with this I need the VR360 Carbon V2 right?

Where I can buy the parts or all the Magnetic Auto Trigger Rotator.?

Thanks for all advices that can help me.

I'm Ecuador and i just have one year making this job.. and I love it.

I just try to make aereal panos using real helicopter, but it is imposible do it using just hands or monopots.

The magnetic shutter with the auto rotator is excelent idea.. and I need to used in a job.

Regards,

Pablo C.

an earlier prototype was this www.vimeo.com/6643431

Re: Facebook, finally

psj said:
Have anyone tried the My Box application? Managed to get one working.

panos will spread like a virus

you ought to post more info....

Re: Pro Optic 8mm = Samyang 8mm?

Smooth said:
etegration said:
isit just me or does it really look the same?
Same thing. They get sold under many different names. Samyang, Minolta, Polar, Falcon, Pro Optics, the list just goes on and on. The manufacturer is Samyang of Korea.

The going rate is $289.00 USD delivered.

Regards, Smooth
www.smooth360.info

thanks for the info!

Re: information on aerial panos please

Thank you charliez.

Unfortunately (luckily) there is no way to get such an image with a one shot mirror.
This here has a resolution of 32k px. Ask these mirror guys what resolution they have. Better not ask them for sharpness, though ...

Cheers
Jürgen

Re: Encrypt-Protect All swf-panorama Now!

And what about using krPano name on your own websites and product?

Wonder what the krPano guys have to say about that...

WANTED: aerial pano photographers in UK

I have a number of clients requesting aerial panoramas and whilst I am still looking into this myself, I need to commission a 3rd party to do the aerial photography. Therefore, if you provide either R/C, drone, blimp etc panos between 100 to 1,000 feet, or full-scale helicopter-based panos 1,000+ feet, please contact me.

You would be commissioned by me to take high resolution (20,000 x 10,000) equirectangular images on a ‘white label’, unbranded basis. Please contact me off list / PM me with your day / image rate plus mileage rate and links to examples.

Thanks

Stu

Taking Measurements

Hullo All,

I am a new member here, though I've been making panoramas for years.

I want to know if anyone has cracked the business of obtaining measurement information from two panoramas taken a known distance from one another. I know this can be done using a Spherocam, but can it be done with other mixes of equipment/software?

All best

Hugh

Re: for sale: 360 Precision Adjuste

### SOLD ###

Re: Dealing with shadows when shooting with a monopod

Here's an experiment my monopod did a few months ago...

pancyl.com/Chair2_EasyHDR.htm

I'm still trying to get my monopod to do the nadir shot. It's not real bright.

Re: How to make seamless 360?

Hi Sergei:

Pleace start using easy pano stiching softwares, panorama maker is good to start, panorama studio... then tried Hugin... or Ptgui... but need to understand how stiching works.

Regards,

Pablo C.

Re: Average time for scene... after delivery?

A few good tutorials are found here:

Oh thanks for posting that Trausti, I found something there new straight away

Re: Pricing help please

Hi Doug:

I can't for the moment give some links... as I say just have lest than a year doing this, but the more works that I done are for expositions (auto sequencies as videos) and goverment services (internal use)(airports, Electrical enterprices), or privade enterprices (sales, instructive pano videos), in a few months you can see all the works in my page 360ecuador.com, and just from Galapagos in 360galagos.com, I just start in hotel and real states, but if you give me a email... i'll send you little demos... From galapagos islands I have excelent works... with 5 cruises, and starting the next month I will do 5 more.

I just start the photo on 3 hotels, when the works will finish I'll give you the links too.

Regards,

Pablo C.

Re: CS4 Vs CS4 Extended?

Thanks all,

I think I will go for the upgrade. As much as I want to see CS5 released I hope it is not too soon

Morten

Re: Potchefstroom Jool 2010

Processedgillon said:
Hi Mark

Names Gillon, please to meet you. I will lighten in photoshop, just a bit worried about introducing noice.

Also see I might need to improve on the menu.

Regards Gillon

Nice to meet you too Gillon,

I'm not one of your purists, ask anyone here, so I would say a bit of noise can only add to the mood to this concert as does movement blur giving the impression of musicians going crazy on stage.

Mark

Re: Pano2vr actions

photonewbie said:
Just wanted to let you know that the .ggsk you sent me was terrific. Worked like a charm and is now a 100 times better than what I had.

Hi Robert,

Glad it's sorted and you now a reference of code to refer to for future skins. Like everything, once it's in front of your eyes, things are a lot clearer. I thought you had done well to get where you were. You have jumped in very big steps since your first newbie posts on this forum, and that was not so long ago.

Great progress, keep at it.

Regards, Smooth
www.smooth360.info

Re: I'm back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

G'day Adrian,

Glad it's all sorted mate.
Hopefully it's a long way from the original thread of www.panoguide.com/forums/qna/7398/
Look forward to one day seeing the panoramas you produce.
Keep that naming order intact!

All the best, Smooth
www.smooth360.info

Re: Time and Work

Hi Morten!

Welcome back!

Martin

Re: how can I do? Tokina 10-17 or Sigma 8mm?

I hope... I found it... tokina 10-17mm

Re: Newbie here... Fish-eye def. the way to go?

Well, the quality is of course not as good as with the Canon 15mm but with three around and it's special projection you have almost no zenith whole and a small footprint so shooting spheres with the Samyang is almost foolproof. And a bargain.
schrader-air.de/panorama/ispo/mammut.html
Don't mind the moving balls in this image, worst thing with the Samyang is lens flare.

Jürgen

Re: Chestvest for wear a little notebook in front

Hi, it seems that it did work without any intervention , now I'm at home and except maybe the WB and the leveling at certain extent I can say that was good.
At the end was some movie projection with little light available and so required some long exposure, some people has obviously mooved and they look so.

Dorin

Re: Panoplayer for Android?

If you have some knowledge of Java programming, you can build a panorama player for Android yourself. Because Helmut Dersch released the Java source code for a mobile PTviewer version back in 2007 under GPL. I would love to see it on Android! See tinyurl.com/wfnxq (under PTviewerME).

Re: This has absoluely nothing to do with panoramas

Had a good laugh at those

Re: 360° Photos from Tel Aviv (Israel)

Wow. Really striking images Omer.

Haven't seen too many portraits of everyday people presented through the pano medium.
Being so used to viewing still portraits and extracting details and meaning from the expressions of the main subjects, the 360 field of view in your shots really complements the person within image with the surrounding "mis-en-scene" providing more detail about these people and their lives. And it dragged me into their world at the same time.

Worked for me and the images and camera placement/shot comp in general I felt were technically superb.
Thanks for your inspiration!

Redmond

Ultra panoramas of Hong Kong, China and Australia

To all pano lovers, just a few panos for your enjoyment. Your comments and feedback will be highly appreciated.

www.peleleung.com/Portfolios/VirtualTours/Landsca...

Cheers
Pele Leung
www.peleleung.com

Re: finding entrance pupil with centre focusing point?

The technique of observing the entrance pupil is simply looking at it, and checking for movement as you rotate the panohead into various positions. If you see the entrance pupil consistently in one position, then parallax will be eliminated.

The test I referred earlier is the one illustrated in tinyurl.com/yafzog5 . That was shot in my kitchen with the tripod on a solid floor and with the camera back pointing at a bright window. You need to improvise a simple sight to provide a reference point by which any movement of the entrance pupil can be judged. You could use an empty ballpoint barrel, for example, fixed in front of the lens. Peer into it and center the entrance pupil in the hole at the end.

Full details in the tutorial at www.johnhpanos.com/epcalib.htm .

John

Re: Channel mask not being blended?

Thanks to you all. It's working fine now with other images.

Re: adding border color?

in krpano i would make a box same as you. 20px tall and only 2 pixels wide. align the box to bottomleft and set the width to 100% and it scales to the otherside of the monitor reguardless of size. even if they are using that new 1/2 moon shaped monitor with 180 degree FOV.

Re: Snow storm

I am a grumpy (But not quite that old) man . . .

I love it here most of the time, but this has been a hard winter with a three week stretch of between -30 and -45; even by Norwegian standards, that is pushing the limit.

So to be reminded of clearing all that up is quite scary. Actually, it's not the clearing that is the problem, it's knowing where to put the stuff. One really begins to run out of options! I begab to wonder about melting it in the bath.

J

Re: Nikon vs Nikon

Try to get a D300 with NX2 as part of the package - or even NX1 and upgrade. And yes, the D-lighting is fantastic.

Re: Panorama / 360 to panning video? Is it possible?

Doug Aurand said:
Is HTML5ificator on the horizon?

Doug Aurand
Albuquerque, NM

Only in the dream world as for now, along with another even better one... but the first own panorama player is "The Panorama Player", that we have already in it's baby-shoes. It runs on 0% CPU, no matter if it's in autorotation standing still or manually moved.

Given more time, additional things can and will be done. This is my field of interest, and as such, I like to see it get better.

Re: How To Stop Unauthorised Copying Of Images

I agree, the professor was very wrong and should not be allowed to teach at all.

The reason I knew my images had been stolen and used else where? It was in the same market. The guy who did it wasn't very smart and was trying to do the same type of marketing business in the same city. He copied images from the company I work for and used them on his own site. He truly had a weird way of looking at things. Anyway, I made screen shots of all his page containing my stolen images and kept a record of everything.
My boss said that it wasn't worth the effort to go after him and he would eventually go out of business, which he did.
I wish I would run into him some where, but I think he has left town.

More pigeons in snowing

Hi, the first two entries here
www.livepanoramas.com/event/fotovest06feb2010/

in the second, their footsteeps and mine

Dorin

Re: Stitching Templates

John,

Thanks for the excellent example - I see what you mean now.

Andrew

Samyang 8mm fisheye test

Took delivery of the Samyang 8mm f3.5 fisheye from 360Tactical (thanks Andrew) so this weekend was spent shooting star trails

and my first pano with the lens on a Canon 7D

www.photosbykev.com/wordpress/photography/landsca...

Always have trouble with the nadir image so please forgive that minor problem.

Very very impressed with the lens/body combination just need to control the flare on the lens

Re: Problems with PTGui Pro - can't align, doesn't recognise bracketed images

Hans Nyberg said:
The problem is that many newbees start with doing something we have used years to learn.

I see it all the time at the PTgui support group. It like people believe that doing HDR is something you need to do always. If just people started learning at least the basics of photography and how to handle exposure, depth of focus etc before they start doing panoramas.

Hans

That's logical (to us old fogeys) but fails to take into account the younger generations' short attention span and desire for instant gratification.

Andrew

Re: Nodal point calibration, Manfrotto 303 SPH

G'day Chris,

Mate, first of all it is not the "Nodal Point (NP)" you are looking for (I know the manual says so but it's wrong). What you are after the the Entrance Pupil (EP) of the lens so that you can rotate around the No Parallax Point (NPP). This requires lower arm (left to right) and upper arm (fore and aft) adjustments.

You should take a look and follow these tutorials:
www.rosaurophotography.com/html/technical7.html
www.johnhpanos.com/epcalib.htm
www.easypano.com/forum/display_topic_threads.asp?...

Looking through the view finder and measuring offsets in Photoshop will only put you roughly in the ball park.

Regards, Smooth
www.smooth360.info

Re: what stat counters do you use?

Beware of using Google Analytics if you currently rely on search engine traffic... it can change how you are ranked as they now combine the information from analytics with your rankings.

Re: I'm starting a panoramic business - HELP

swoolley said:

My website is very new and is a bit of an experiment at the moment. I run my own webserver out of my shed so hosting is very simple and quick once the site is setup.

I have a full time IT job currently that pays well but the day that the panorama business makes more - I'll focus on that 100%. I understand that marketing is a priority and I have friends in marketing and media who can help me out. I also have friends in the real estate business so that should help.

Simon
Canberra Australia

simon you and I are very alike. i am full-time IT for 5 years. been doing panos for 2 and am just now confident enough to concider a business. in fact thursday i confronted my boss and said i was 1000% serious and asked him if we could start a VT company under the companys shell. we also own an ISP and wireless boradband company. he told me to come up with a business plan and present it! i would love to keep my vacation and insurance and still do this full time without the rist of no tours coming in. i can always fall back on fixing pc's. only down side is i have to share the profits which in some tours could be alot.

i wish you luck!

Re: Nikon CoolPix numerous items

Michael, sent you a email via panoguide

regards,

Robert

Re: 360º Videos

I am surprised that no one have mentioned www.immersivemedia.com/

I am not sure - but I believe it is them who developed the technology for Google Streetview.

you can see their demos here: www.immersivemedia.com/demos/index.php

They are also looking for agents.

Regards
Morten

Re: Toronto Canada Panographer Required

OK Dave, if he is interested then have him make contact.

Regards, Smooth
www.smooth360.info

Re: how to shoot group of people

swoolley said:
What size lens are you using to do your freehand pano in this link - obviously fisheye but what?? I haven't tried a free hand spherical before but have done a standard 180. What is your technique?? It seems you have no parallax problems even without a Tripod?? Love it

Swoolley,

For this handheld I used a Sigma 8mm f/3.5 on a 1.6 crop Canon 40D.

www.360cities.net/image/polish-workmen

Like any kind of photography shooting handheld means you can be quick and opportunistic. Usually resulting in more natural looking results. To incorporate the zenith I tilt the lens up a few degrees as I shuffle around, viewfinder pressed to my eye, taking five to seven shots. Rather more overlap than too little, not forgetting one cannot judge the angles very accurately. Then step back and holding camera at arms length shoot the nadir.

Keep in mind that handheld is no substitute tripod and spherical head for interiors and even for outdoor scenes may need more retouching with Photo Shop.

Mark

Re: software to export as single swf?

Yes: pano2qtvr, currently known as pano2vr. See gardengnomesoftware.com/

Pierre

Re: Hello!

This is a big help thank you guys. That's a fantastic comparison site.

Has anyone messed around with Flex/Papervision 3D? Looks relatively easy with the right plugins.

Re: size

No one knows. Not even Denis.

Last I heard, he is going to try his best to get at least a beta version out now in February, but there is no guarantee or certainty for that happening. We just have to hope for the best, and see what happens.

Trausti
flashificator.com/
flashificator.com/forums

Re: Strange Problem in Pano2VR

Glad to hear that Robert.
Don't forget to give us a squiz when your done.

Regards, Smooth
www.smooth360.info

Re: Canon 7D or Nikon D300S ?

Thank you Smooth and Mike for the advices !

About the HDR that's an important advice.Thank you !
I will call Promote to check if they have it available in any retail store in NY. In BHPhoto they sell but it take 7 to 14 days.

I decided go with Sigma 8mm. BHPhoto don't have the Tokina 10-17 in stock.

Thank you !
Toni

Re: Incorporates a .flv file within a tour

I think you shouldn't have that big a problem using the software:

www.panoguide.com/users/~cc2009/messages/

Bottom 2 messages of yours indicate that you are very familiar with the software.

And here:

submitted by cc2009 22 days ago

tinyurl.com/EPannounce

I think you know more about it than you want to admit.

Hopefully this helps

Re: Constitution Hill Johannesburg South Africa

Great tour!

Re: Carrying pano rig on day-trips and hikes

Mark Schuster said:
Judy,

Can you afford a Sigma f/3.5 8mm? If so do your outdoor work handheld....... Mark

BTW, If you're discussing handheld panos, don't forget the Philo-pod:

www.philohome.com/tripod/shooting.htm

Re: Google Store Views

Dislike

Re: PTGui force fusion ?

Thanks Smooth! You saved me hours

Re: 2010 is off to a Great Start!

Juergen Schrader said:
Yeah, that looks ok to me.
Especially with the thumbnails at the bottom AND the floorplan.
The next thing I guess we probably should say goodbye to is displaying equirects for navigation.

Viewing your example I had the idea that I would change the dots on the floorplan to an open V pointing like the known radars into the viewing direction. In conjunction with a replaced equirect that now should be a rectangular image of the actual view the user would (hopefully) get a better orientation and wouldn't have too much to experience at a time.

What I have planned for the Map Navigation on VirtualAlbuquerque.com is to replace the iPIX icon with travel icon like hotels, restaurants, etc, but more important to have the thumbnail and a little text appear in a "ToolTip" when the mouse hovers over the icons

Like the "image with text" sample on this page

www.dyn-web.com/code/tooltips/

I'm calling it Interactive Map Navigation

Later
Doug Aurand
Albuquerque, NM

Re: canon g11 and Nodal Ninja mkII

misu cucu said:
unchecked fast transform option in the Create Panorama tab

Why? You want the run to be as short as possible. You will see no visible difference at all when the option is used.

I can only hope that loading different pictures in the same project will render just as good images.

Load your different set of images into PTGui and apply the present project file as a template via the File menu. Generate control points and then don't include lens parameters a,b,c in the optimization. Remove the worst control points via the Control Points menu and repeat the optimization. You should then have a decent result.

John

Re: Nodal Ninja 3 or 5 (Canon 5d)

I bought the NN3 for use with my Nikon D5000, but I'm finding it too small to use with some of my lenses plus corded remote.

Here's one way to determine if your camera/lens/cord combo will be too big for the NN3.

1. On your camera, mount the longest lens you plan to use for spherical panorama photography.

2. Attach your remote cable and any other cabled gizmos you're likely to use, such GPS unit.

3. With the bottom of the camera facing you, hold the zero point of a metric ruler at the center of lens' NPP (no parallax point). This is usually near or slightly beyond the gold ring near the front of the lens.

4. Pivot the ruler from the NPP across the bottom of the camera. Note the radius required to clear the non-handgrip corner of the camera and the remote cable's plug. This is the radius required to swing the camera into zenith shooting position without loosening the camera and temporarily sliding it forwards on upper horizontal rail.

If this distance is greater than 13.5 mm, the NN3's vertical rail will be too short for easy use with this camera/lens/cord combo.

If the distance from the NPP to the back of the camera is greater than 13.5 mm, then this camera/lens combo can't be used at all for spherical panos on the NN3.

Even if you don't plan to use a long lens for spherical panoramas, the zenith position is a convenient position to stow the camera on-bracket when moving from one shooting location to another.

Re: Panoramas of Dirtiest Secret of Vancouver Olympics

Hi Bradford,

Nice trash.
I like the contrast between shiny car and dirty walls

Andrey

Re: A Couple Of 2010 Australia Day Panoramas

I've been using your custom VR Drive to 3/8" adapter too, Smooth. It works flawlessly. Nicely machined, well thought out.

Thanks,
Harold

Re: Creating a popup map in Pano2VR

Thanks for the answers guys, I found a way of doing. The software rock, just as quick as tourweaver when you get into it

Re: Shave your lens with Tobias :-)

www.panoguide.com/forums/tipsntricks/6815/

Perfect job !

Re: DevalVR Packer-3dstereo-panorama

I uploaded a new version of this example www.devalvr.com/panos/Mansion_Panorama.exe

Now, the screensaver is "Kaspersky friendly"

I will add this feature to install screensavers automatically as an option in the packer to easy use.

Thank you very much for the test!

Re: Lookin for a photographer in France / Asserac

ups- WRONG EMAIL !

Sorry for the mistyping.

Contact: mhc1 (at) gmx (dot)de

Or through the website (Impressum / Imprint / A Propos)

ciao
mike
www.360de.de

Re: and now - $300.000 car

Andrey Ilyin said:
We discuss with this client future steps. Highly probable that the one of the next panos will be shot inside of tank of jet fighter

Awesome, don't forget to give us a squiz!

Regards, Smooth
www.smooth360.info

Re: Crime

Panoramas are getting more common in the field of forensics. The results are used for educating and studies of the crime/accident scene.

Shooting panos is something that will most likely become a standard procedure in the future amongst most police forces.

Laser scanners of today (like the FARO) are way too expensive and slow. FARO comes at a price of $99.999 when with unlimited scans.... add to that transport and taxes in Scandinavian countries, and the resulting price is something one can have fun with over a murderously expensive beer in the local pub.

Re: Non spherical panos

OK, so I made a few attempts and I must be missing something because I'm getting a less than 360-degree spherical pano.

That is the resulting JPEG is warped. I tried the different settings and equirectagular (for spherical panos) yields the least warped large JPEGs.

A QT Mov isn't warped and when you pan, it looks natural, other than a lot of black space since I wasn't attempting to wrap around 360.

I tried all the other options under Panorama Settings tab, in the popup window. Flat looked distorted in a different way.

Here is the pano JPG.

picasaweb.google.com/wco811/SamplePanos#543336970...

Re: Focus in issue/recommendations

Thanks for the tip. Going out to try it.

Not another boring car interior!

Indeed it isn't. It's the best I've seen yet. Judge for yourselves. It's by Martin Bloomfield who writes,

There are very few female drivers in Jakarta, two that I know of driving private cars and a few drive taxis. Our driver used to race motorbikes, until she had an accident, so now she races around the city with my family. Jakarta is notorious for its traffic and it can take an hour or more to drive from my house to the centre of the city, which is only 15kms away.

www.360cities.net/image/traffic-jakarta

Re: How many pics for sferical: 5d mkII and 8mm

If you look at Johns tutorial you can see he takes the nadir shot from a different angle, he did it handheld, but you can move the tripod back a little and use that and just take that shot at an angle. The steps shown in the tutorial still applies whether you use a tripod or not

Re: Eurostar and a Poet

I recently viewed them with a windows 7 laptop that had a dedicated graphics card, they were rotating at high speed,

I have noticed this too on a friends computer, a nice easy rotation speed on my screen and positivley wizzing around on hers. Very odd Good pano though, works fine here with Firefox 3.5.7

Re: 360 Precision Absolute Head

John Houghton said:
Isn't the rest of Australia in bed now?

Absolutely, 5.30am now and I'm about to join them and then sleep through the day while they work and sweat in the heat.

Regards, Smooth
www.smooth360.info

Re: KRPano Attempt - A shrine in Fukuoka, Japan

Red, you can control the audio level of all sounds. you can also control how loud it will be when you are facing the opposite direction it can be totally silent or set a percentage.

•playsound3DHS(id, mp3file, hotspotname, range*, volume*, loops*, oncomplete*);
•plays a directional 3D sound at a hotspot position
•it follows the hotspot if the hotspot is moving

•id = id/name of the sound (use "auto" for a automatic new id for every play)
•mp3file = the filename/path of a sound file
•hotspotname = name of the hotspot
•range = range of sound (in degrees, default=90) (*optional)
•volume = sound volume (0.0 - 1.0, default=1.0) (*optional)
•loops = number of loops, 0=endless, default=1 (*optional)
•oncomplete = action/event that will called on complete (*optional)
•pausesound(id);- pauses a sound
•id = id/name of the sound
•resumesound(id);- resumes a paused sound
•id = id/name of the sound
•pausesoundtoggle(id);- pauses OR resumes a sound
•id = id/name of the sound
•stopsound(id);- stops playing a sound
•id = id/name of the sound
•stopallsounds();
•stop all current playing sounds

use this code to turn the audio on and off. onhover the audio icon will fade in solid and grow in size, onout it will return to normal size and fade out. each time it is click it will toggle between stopping the audio and playing an mp3.

<plugin name="audio"
url="music.png"
keep="true"
visible="true" enabled="true" capture="true"
zorder="1"
alpha=".65" blendmode="normal"
smoothing="true"
origin="topleft" edge="center"
x="37.5%" y="30%"
parent="controls"
scale=".7"
onloaded=""
onover=""
onhover="showtext(Audio On/Off,style10)"
onover="tween(alpha,1); tween(scale,.8);" onout="tween(alpha,0.65); tween(scale,0.7);"
music="1"
onclick="switch(stopallsounds(), playsound(auto,audio.mp3); "
handcursor="true"
/>

substitue the 'playsound' with what you currently use.

Re: Dermandar: new free online panorama creator (with facebook app)

Peter Stark said:
I just tried it and it does work, ok with a few small visable errors, so maybe not for serious pano work just now, but for casual use, I think it is good.

Peter

I appreciate you trying our app.
Those visual errors might be the compromise we had to make to speed up the process and make it work without any user intervention.
A "fine tuning" option might be added later on, but for now, when uploading your panorama to our servers (only available in the Facebook application) you get the chance to mark the panorama as "bad", that way we can review it and tune our algorithm.

Re: Time-Laspe video of Vancouver B.C.

Very well done!

Looks like a good idea to wear a diver's suit with oxygen supply and everything... in the night time.

Re: Three more events

Tuur said:
NICE!!

can you quick explain what you did?? is it a pov driven png or so..

or a pov driven new cubeface..

??

Thanx

Tuur

You will a little more information on Dorin's related web site, here:
www.livepanoramas.com/about.html

Andrew

Re: Another Junk Shop ?

I agree entirely that the proprietor, Mr Chin, should have been in the pano, that was the plan, but halfway through something came up and the work-flow fell apart. The junk & antiques shop panos also would have benefitted from some people too. Usually I try to include people in my panos, but it's not always that simple.

Yes, the reflections are a problem and could have been minimised. There are other problems too; some of the lights weren't working and it would benefit from some additional lighting.

It wasn't meant to be a serious pano, it was more of a impromptu demonstration of what a pano is and what it entails, not that that is an excuse for sloppy work. After all, I was just an ex-customer that walked into the shop. I could hardly take over the place and arrange things to my liking. However I did say I'd do it again better when I next pass through KL.

However Mt Chin was delighted, and I got a free Sony Alpha ballpen

I shouldn't be giving his shop a plug here, but if you ever need anything photographic in Malaysia, it's worth a visit. Incidentally KL is a very cheap place for buying cameras, (perhaps not as cheap as Hong Kong). There is no tax on them. My a850 was around two thirds of the UK price.

Re: Medievil 360

What an idea. The centaur and his lady; they wouldn't be you and she by any chance, would they? Whatever, hope she contributes more of her stuff to this site, or gets you to. Makes a pleasant change.
Mark

Re: new monitor recommendations please

What about this one?

www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjQXzvW0s9w&NR=1

Regards,
Tom

RTL holland fase 1

www.rtl360.nl/rtl/

fase 1

Tuur

Re: swing it baby!

i prefer a 360 environment

keep in mind that it was just a keystroke test..

Tuur

Re: nodal ninja 5 in view

rzwart2 said:
When I'm taking pictures for a sferical panorama, a piece of the nodal ninja 5 comes into my view. It's the end of the upper horizontal arm.

I work with the canon 5d mkII and Sigma 8mm (180) F 3.5. I use the NPP of the Nodal Ninja site. What can I do about it?

It doesn't really matter that it is in view. The overlap (provided you shoot enough images "3 at 120 degree stops is enough with your combination") will eliminate it when stitched and blended. You can mask it with an Alpha Channel mask if needs be.

The Nodal Ninja R1 doesn't have this issue.

Regards, Smooth
www.smooth360.info

Re: Frozen tidal creek and forgotten saiboat

I really like this sailboat pano. I hope the owner had insurance.
thanks for the look
Beagle

Fast Food Camden Market

A quiet moment in Camden Lock Market London, a chance for some dumplings and a quick pano.
tinyurl.com/y9nt5th

Re: PNS gear for good quality tours... not using FC-E8

Doug,
You are correct and I think he knows this, but for now it is what it is. We will upgrade eventually, it's just when do they want to do that and what the market will be able to support for each city. I would love to just get the DSLR,/8mm/R1, but you already know this.

Thanks for the comment.

Re: Agno RingT Lens attachment point

Top tips, thanks!

Re: PT4Pano, online now

mediavet said:

I think so. I guess that most PTGui users haven't clue about the origin of the PT in the name.

Oh, I hope they have and if they haven't they had better read up on Helmut Dersch without whom we might all have a lot more time on our hands.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panorama_Tools

webuser.fh-furtwangen.de/~dersch/

Mark

Re: printing panoramas

I'm having the same problem as Edward68 and I was going to get Qimage for my home computer but it's a Mac and Qimage doesn't seem to be compatible. Does anyone know of an alternative for a Mac user?

Re: can i use pano2vr to create a flash map with hot spots?

You can do this no problem with Pano2VR.
Just like the "Fog" background. Set it to no alpha and add a map, thumbnails or image to it and link to any pano's you wish.

Regards, Smooth
www.smoot360.info

Re: A Javanese Market

I like these ramarkable situations when people are natural.
The women with the knife is in movement, others are in talk or are doing their work.

Great

Ciao
Mike
www.360de.de

Re: I'm a newbie: Make 360's with PhotoShop CS4 and...?

Kim Larsen said:
mediavets said:
A properly adjusted pano head ensures that the camera rotates around the NPP.
Okay - I was wondering HOW do I find the NPP on my camera (Nikon D80, 18-55mm)? Until I can afford a Ninja, I might have a look at making a Samurai myself, but as I understand it, the holes need to be positioned just right.

Go look here:
www.nodalninja.com/support/camerasettings.html

The settings listed should be close enough.

The left-right setting on the vertical axis of rotation you can measure on the camera body anyway - from base of camera to centre of lens mount; assuming you mount the camera in portarit orientation.

Then have a small slot rather than a hole on the other arm and you'll be fine and have scope for a little adjustment if you wish, but at any particular focal length within a few mm it's not that critical - although it does of course vary depending on focal length.

And of course keep saving for that Nodal Ninja.

Andrew

Re: Congrats to Terry Montague and Regal360

Completely deserved. Next I expect major TV stations to take care of you in a visual way.

... and again happy birthday Terry!

Trausti

Re: Mountains, but no churches this time!

Well, like most customers, they wanted the pans yesterday. Two days of shooting in a closed hotel, plus seven days of processing. The biggest problem was trying to reduce the terrible light that pine reflects back to my camers. Any hints would be welcome for future reference. It should have been perfect, but when it came to working on the raw images, the balance would not come together. Instead, I had to do jiggery pokery with two differently balanced layers and mask out the offending areas. I am sure that I could have found a different way of doing it that would reduce the work time, but I suppose it is fun to experiment!

As far as the button is concerned, I cannot get the skin to pause the music, despite doing everything correctly. I have succeeded with other tours, but not with this.

Any hints, folks?

Jon

Re: Anybody covering the

Wim, you said,

Surprisingly when shooting in shopping streets with lots of people I get very few questions or comments and I am never addressed in a hostile manner.

No not surprising at all: those Trausti, I and others meant were petty officials (although often backed by legislation). Till now shooting among people has never caused me a problem. (What never? Well hardly ever! Read on.) This panorama was shot over a period of some five minutes with the camera swung back and forth to help populate the earth (not as much fun as the conventional way).

The upper version was the one finally used
To get some idea how long it took to shoot see the family group A1, A2, A3 - you'll have to scroll. Whilst shooting a chap passed by wearing a fools cap. See him in the lower version marked with an X. I asked him if he wouldn't mind walking back towards to get him better in frame. "Not at all" said he "providing that's not a Japanese camera". "Are there any other kind" asked I. So it wasn't me to what he objected really, it was Canon. But I got my own back. He didn't make it to the final version of my panorama and therefore not to posterity either

Mark

NB Cambridge in June 2008 on a graduation day.
This is the series of panoramas I made
www.360cities.net/image/cambridge-kings-parade-en...
www.360cities.net/image/cambridge-kings-college
www.360cities.net/image/cambridge-university

PS The lady standing against the wall in the last scene does complain, often: My long suffering wife with bulky camera bag on her back.

Re: Pano2VR, HotSpots and Skins

Mathrafal said:
As a matter of fact, I think the support for the basics of Pano2vr is pretty good, and these leave people thinking laterally, allowing them to progress on their own.
Jon

I agree - the video tutorials are excellent IMO. And I've learned quite a bit from reading on their forum.

Andrew

Re: Best size lense?

Kim Larsen said:
I was wondering what kind of lenses you guys use?

I was under the impression that for optimal panoramas you HAD to use a fisheye, but after reading a bit, it seems that is not so. Or what?

I'm using a 18-55mm (set on 18mm) on my Nikon D80.

There is no single body/lens combo that is ideal for every sort of pano.

For very high resolution partial panos (less than 360x180 coverage) you would choose a longer focal length rectilinear lens, with a smaller FOV, such that you end up with the pano resolution you want/need, for example for huge prints.

For 360x180 (spherical) panos destined for on-line display as Flash VRs you would choose to use a fisheye lens which has a much larger FOV because then you require fewer shots to obtain 360x180 coverage at the required pano resolution; this simplifies shooting, stitching, rendering and post-processing.

There have been rare (to date) instances of people shooting very high resolution 360x180 panos - but for many reasons this is a very difficult 'trick' to pull off well.

Andrew

Re: Stitching Video

the tiny versions all look a little blown out for some reason. I think the tiny helicopter is truncated. You should fly by the tall buildings...

Re: Haiti 360 Video

Holy cow thats impressive ... this is the first time I've ever seen 360 VIDEOS!!!

Re: Stockholm city

As you are in Soder, how about a VR tour of Steig Larsson's 'Girl with ...' locations. It would be very, very popular.

John

Re: Todays best software to convert spherical panos in a movie presentation - Part II

Trausti,

Thanks for the mail, I've got it!

I'll try with Terry.

Thanks for the tip!

Regards,
Tom

City Hall, Stockholm

HDR Stereographic panorama of city hall, Stockholm, Sweden

Re: Viewer Performance- KRpano vs Pano2VR vs FPP

Redmond Bunney said:
Thanks for the links and insight fellas.
Pano2VR a bit smoother on your examples Hans but still choppier compared to KRPano and FPP (on a par) on my computer.

As for "the feel" Trausti, still KRPano for me due to the multi-rez function which is suitable for my workflow and website objective, though I can't say I've delved into FPP and Flashificator..yet. All the best with the development.

Red

I guess you know there is a GUI/XML generator for krpano? It's called Autopano Tour and is currently only available as bundle witn Autopano Giga but it will be made available separately at some point. It's relatively basic compared to FFC for FPP but is developing quite rapidly.

You could try the latest beta - V 1.1 beta 6:
www.autopano.net/forum/t7116-apt-v1.1-beta

Andrew

Re: Encrypt all swf-panorama Now!

one must really take care of cyber-attacks. a friend of mine reports about attacks to his 3dstereo-video-site(stereodatamker).

Re: 2 of 3 Pano's Good

photonewbie said:
Oh so the square should be gone.

No! The square will likely get slightly larger. Look at the NN knob and then look at your Nadir view and compare. Do they look the same? I suggest they don't really and that your Nadir view shows compressed pattern and wording slightly.

Regards, Smooth
www.smooth360.info

Re: Quick favor... sample tour links needed to get boss interested!

Thanks for all the links including the ones e-mailed over to me. I passed them along.

New questions now... new thread.

panoramic dioramas

This is not my work but it is interesting way to use flash panorama technology.

mitchtrale.com/panodios/

Re: Dental Office - simple tour of two panoramas

vn2009 said:
i was not trying act defensive.

I know... that's why I put the smiley behind my comment... equally just a teaser.

Some people treat their favorite pano engine as if it was the holy script of their religion.

I like my personal choice, but have no problem acknowledging the good things I see in other players.

One file output in Pano2VR
Multires tiled loading in KRP
Polygons in KRP

That's actually everything I feel that's "missing" in FPP, and I'd be happy to see such features implemented (along with everyone else in the FPP community). One file output comes with version 3 of FPP, with encrypted content.... that's going to be good news for many. The other 2 I want, but don't know if these will be there.

Re: 101st Airborn - Commemorative Airforce Museum

That looks like a fun project.

vn2009 said:
What do you think so far?

A few other things to fix would be the white balance starting with the first scene. You'll need to adjust it in layers because of the different light sources.

The fullscreen triangle needs some adjusting when in the fullscreen mode. Email me if you need help because it did the same thing when I first used it.

I'd also like to see the panorama fill the whole screen with the information panel you have on the left have an option to slide off screen. The pictures could pop up and the hotspot is clicked. More of what you created in the B17 tour.

Phil

Re: real estate marketing company expanding to VT

Yeah... a fighting chance maybe... since her name is:

Hjara Ljúfvina Hálf

"Sword (female version) Sweet friend Half"

But the love and care the "big sister" shows for him, indicates they won't be fighting much.

Re: Problem with too many images

It looks like your panorama has a hole at the zenith, so your ceiling shot is probably needed. (BTW, always generate a full 360x180 image, with pixel dimensions in the ratio of exactly 2:1 - like 10000x5000). You should assign some control points manually between the zenith shot and its neighbours and then reoptimize to get it in the right position.

There are many stitching errors all over the image. What lens and camera are you using? Maybe you have a relatively long focal length lens, which has a narrow field of view. Rooms with blank walls present problems because of a lack of features for control points, particularly with longer focal length lenses. One technique to help with this is to use post-it notes or stitcky tape to put temporary markers in strategic places. These can be cloned out of the stitched image in Photoshop.

Your panorama will also require levelling. See: www.johnhpanos.com/levtut.htm

John

Re: Looking for SHARPEST Wide Angle/Fisheye...options?

> "changed your setup to a Sony? "

I bought a Sony system while in KL. I have the a850 and the 15mm Sigma lens. That lens is pretty good for panos on full-frame, it just takes 5 shots around then Z&N. and gives a 15,000 pixel equirect, (based upon advice from Hans). I haven't been able to expoit it fully yet, as I've been taking panos in terrible conditions, crowded markets with very dark areas and sunlit areas too. One of these days I'll find a sunlit static scene

I still have my Canon gear, (from Singapore), in UK, but I intend to sell my Sigma 8mm & Sigma 10-20mm lenses when I get back to UK in a couple of months.

Re: Tripod Help

Bradford Bohonus said:
omg

Ditto

Re: Newbie Ninja Question

Greenbarn said:
... the fiddly setting up of the plate is only for the first time you fit it, and after that it's pretty much a straight on/off job.

Correct, single screw into the base of the camera.

Greenbarn said:
For the extra sixty quid on a once in a lifetime purchase, it seems like the NN5 is going to get my money. At least then I won't be thinking "if only" at some point in the future.

That would be my thinking also. On top of that the NN5L is a discontinued model and only available 'till sold out.

Regards, Smooth
www.smooth360.info

Re: Please can you help me through the software maze!!

Smooth
What did iPIX do to you that makes you hate them sooooo much?

What I don't get is you say the 2 fisheye process they used produced low quality images, but you resent iPIX for enforcing their patent that stopped you from producing those low quality images?????????

Isn't that a bit like hating brocolli and also hating some one who won't let you have any brocolli????????

I thought the key system was okay, $50 for 4 real estate keys that included hosting and distributing the tour to Realtor.com (now $24.95 just for hosting & distribution) and the iPIX Real Estate Wizard software was only $50

Apparently I'm not the only one who understands that a spherical image can be descibed in more than one way, like Judy & Michel.

Doug Aurand
Albuquerque, NM

Re: 8mm Peleng with Canon Mount - Want to use on my new Nikon D90

Jon,

Sell Peleng and take Samyang|Falcon 8/3,5 instead.

Just my opinion.

Andrey

HDR Panos with PTGUI

I thought best way might be to take RAW and JPG, then process them through something like Photomatix, then feed the resulting HDR files into PTGUI.

But apparently PTGUI can handle the bracketed shots and let you stitch and tone-map at once.

Has anyone compared the results of these different work flows?

The PTGUI tutorial on HDR panos says exposure doesn't matter as long as you bracket and set it on manual:

www.ptgui.com/hdrtutorial.html

And the nice thing about HDR is that you don't have to worry much about 'proper' exposure, since bracketing ensures that everything will be exposed properly anyway!

So instead of trying to determine a universal exposure to use throughout the shots, you just set it on manual and let it bracket?

How many EVs, 1, 2, or 3?

Re: Samyang 8mm fisheye

John,
given there are no electrical connections between Nikon D300 and Samyang 8mm as you point out, is there still the possibility that levers in the lens mount intended for automatic control of Nikor lenses touch the back of the Samyang and jolt it, so to speak, on shutter release?
I think some input from Nikon users is needed. Better still D300/Samyang users if any exist.
In anycase the camera should be set to manual when a fully manual lens is attached, but is it? As to mirror slap that seems a bit unlikely as it would apply to all lenses and be more pronounced with longer focus lenses, moreover setting the camera to liveview removes some of its functionality for if similar to liveview on Canon cameras the through lens viewfinder will no longer work.
Maybe Adamo can get back to us and confirm wether the camera was in manual mode or no.
Mark

Re: First Pano - A Bit Frustrated

Thanks for the advice. I'll keep at it.

Regards,

Robert

Re: Live panoramic event january 16th 2010 at 16 hours GMT

DorinDXN said:
Yes will be an automatic head (or R1 adapted to something.. not motor, I'm thinking of something else with (almost) not noise at all..)
Dorin

I would be interested to hear more about this as and when.

Good luck with your upcoming event.

Regards,

Andrew

Re: Super Rune/SuperCubic PS Plug-In won't show up in CS4 with Windows 7 64bit

That's it. I have read the readme this time and learned that one might choose to deselect the 32bit install checkbox - which I did.

Thanks for this information. What can you learn from this: Never read the readme BEFORE you have a problem

Michael

Re: MK PanoMachine 5.0 HS (High Speed)

www.auschwitzpanorama.tk
www.3dreal.tk all the same
panoscope 65/70/220-conversion/roundshot 65/70/220 at 1/60(4 sec around-400 asa)
not yet possible with dslrs, neither with panomachine nor newest roundshot vr-drive.

Re: Sample project Nikon D300 Sigma 8MM

Henri Smeets said:
... did you spend as much time stitching as you spend in Europe

Henri,

Thanks for the compliments. I let my family take the still photos and videos. All I shot were panos.

When I was able to hold the monopod plumb for all shots, stitching was a breeze. I always had to add control points at the top and bottom of the imges. PTGui tends to put control points only at the horizon when using the Sigma lens. It is not really a big deal. I had a Dell 1010 netbook with me. I was able to stitch a couple of panos in the evening back at the hotel. This told me how I was doing holding the monopod plumb to the ground.

Dennis

Re: VR Self Portrait

A monopod with the camera attached to it is stuck out vertically and then pictures are taken while the monopod is rotated. During stitching process the "down" part of the image, which logically happens to be to the "side" and not down... is turned to fit, then there's some photoshopping done to remove traces of the monopod/pole and viola!

Re: Any hints on Norwegian ceilings?

Vestlending said:
A hint from another Norwegian, perhaps? If you can forsee that a certain area will be difficult to stitch, place a few markers (e.g. small pieces of black tape) randomly on the area. Remove when the stitching is finished.

Better yet for the boring Scandinavian ceilings that are constructed on the principles of functionality, and not on aesthetics..... use small POST-IT notes. Different colours that can be a contrast to whatever surface colour you have. Of course it requires Photoshopping afterwards to remove these, but it's a quick thing to do, and really helps in situations where you may be shooting close to a uniform wall in a small room... nothing that breaks up the uniformity results in no control points.

www.3m.com/us/office/postit/products/prod_notes_n...

Re: Aerial Panoramas

Is it safe to fly over people?

CERTAINLY NOT! This is a whole new thread of its own. These helis can kill or injure someone severely.

It takes awhile to make a helicopter "air-worthy". Do not think you can just buy one of these things and expect to fly the next day. It's been over two years and I'm still testing various setups, hardware and electronics.

Learning to fly is another story... Not impossible but you do need to commit.

Re: Software to make flash panoramas?

Got it!
I downloaded the example files and just edited those as needed. Thanks everyone, I really mean it. This has been an issue for days.

Re: Underground natural waterfall...in a sewer

Judy-A,
Well, it was the only spot to stand, and I didn't really notice until I got home and put it together. I'm so glad bad things didn't happen.

The obvious comment...
more than a few of my friends have made it..
"Wow, now thats a crappy pano!" too funny
Beagle

Re: Panorama Editor settings in PTGui

Hans, John, many thanks for your help !

Re: New Pano2VR 2.3 beta5 Release 18th January 2010

bigwade said:
Good news !
I mentioned it 3 mnth ago !
n4.nabble.com/iMac27-or-other-wide-screens-td6195...

www.panoguide.com/forums/qna/6971/

Thomas is waking up

Mr. Wade, I really hope you are not trying to convince us it was you who started this wide-screen revolution now do you? That would be sooo sad, because we all know it was HANS who did that back in 1986. Or was it 1968? Anyway, a long long time ago, looooong before you were even born maybe!

HA!

Erik

Re: Time remaining .. appreciate some feeback in various browsers

Thank you Valentin, appreciate your feedback.

About the iphone for now I'll show

"hurry up to the nearest PC
and go to www.livepanoramas.com"

when the time's up and if I detect the iphone

Jokes aside, I'll try to find a solution for iphone as well, not now but in the near future, say, even(or at least) as a kind of slide show or smth..

Dorin

Re: Problems with colour balance

Thanks, John.

Worked a treat. Santa will be very happy. Only 355 days to Christmas now, so all the publicity he can get will go down a treat!

Jon

Re: Am I hearing everyone right? - Pano Software

I think they are all pretty similar, but Matt Carpenter's version - the one you mentioned - is the one I have used several times with clients. Sadly, you get that annoying Page Error message in IE, for which there is a simple answer, which is to use Firefox!

Jon

Re: Main differences between NN5 and 303SPH ?

Hi there Toni

Shipping within USA is usually very fast (1, tops 3 days) so perhaps while you in NYC, use your address as the shipping address. Can be a hotel, just let the reception know you are expecting a parcel. I did that quite a few times while traveling around Europe.

303SPH is just not worth the sacrifice. It's damn heavy, very clunky and not friendly to take it around or to set it up. It was my first Pano Head and it didn't take more than a month for me to order NN5 and I have been happy ever since.... Seriously...!!!

Re: ptgui advice

If you use PTgui default crop you probably have a circular crop.

I prefer to use fullframe crop for the 15mm.
I take the 6 around images at -10 and the zenith at 70 degree.

You have to optimize the settings for FOV a+b and d+ e
That should get your stitching correct and then you can start changing the settings in the project settings and also unbook the optimizer for the a b and FOV
As you use it for just one camera you can probably also unbook the shift.

You can download my template here to see the settings for the Project settings. This one is set up to optimize each time for both FOV and shift.
www.panoramas.dk/panorama/template5D-15mm.zip

Hans

Re: FC-E8 with the Nikon Coolpix P6000

Jonesy,

I meant to add that the P6000 does have a number of features which are useful for pano shooting that the P5100 lacks:

1. You can shoot in RAW.
2. It has manual focus.
3. It supports an infra red remote.
4, Two user defined sets of camera settings.

Andrew

Re: Used Panoscan MKIII for Sale

Hi guys, Eric sold that camera quite some time ago.

Re: Alternative to Panoscan MK3?

Mark Schuster said:
But you do need a lot of light, for in front of the lens is seen the slit collimator which, of necessity, prevents the greater part of the light reaching the sensor
Mark

With a scanback the sensor is mounted vertically on a moving strip (like a desktop scanner) which IIRC you stop and lock at the precise spot its needed. The rotating head then rotates at the scanning speed (lets say 1/15 sec per width of the sensor).
It's a long time ago since I used a scanback and I've not used it with a rotating mount but I believe that's the system used

Re: Newbie and my first effort

mediavets said:
Should not be difficult.

As Drew is using Panorama Factory, it's not so straightforward to stitch three rows since it doesn't have a multi-row stitching capability as such. The method suggested is one of stitching rows separately (must be an odd number, with the middle one at pitch=0), rotating them through 90 degrees and then stitching these together, finally rotating the result back through 90 degrees.

Far better to use a spherical stitcher, which need not incur any expense. Hugin is free and will do the stitch perfectly well. There's also the free Microsoft ICE, which I've only briefly tried some time ago with a 3 row (21 images) stitch and it made a good job of it.

John

Re: AutoTour or Pano2VR

"I have never seen such a bored looking group of people."

HAHAHAHA! They were listening to a (somewhat lengthy) speech by a Doctor-Professor Art historian during the opening of an art exhibition. And there already had been a similar speech by another Doctor-Professor person before that, so no wonder!

Erik

Re: vtfusion

Darrell I would like to comment on your statements because I want to see you succeed but there is an uphill battle ahead of you and you need to be prepared.

"Discussions over the image quality and size choice of our demo panoramas are not relevent since it is the software, the player, xml, api and gui capabilties that are the at issue here."

You are dead wrong, image quality and size choice of your demo are extremely important. This is your first impression with the community and if you disregard this important chance to make a first impression you might as well shoot yourself in the foot. You should take all of this criticism seriously. Ignoring it will be a grave mistake. As a personal suggestion put your best foot forward with the demo, your best pano, the best quality, the quickest load time... etc.

My first impression when I looked at your demo was that the panning quality was SUBSTANTIALLY worse than Pano2vr, Krpano, and FPP. That alone, was enough to stop me from looking into it further. We need to be blown away because there are a number of good quality players on the market. You need to stand out. Take a look here www.panoramaphotographer.com/comparisons . Your processing time for "high quality" was absolutely unbearable and has nothing to do with my connection speed.

Please listen to what we are telling you it will only make your product better and increase your chance of receiving your return on investment.

Re: Experience with 3DVista? Best software?

Welcome to the forum.

I think you may find this recent thread informative:
www.panoguide.com/forums/qna/7221/

Andrew

Re: page is down

Sorry,

It went walkabout, but it was caught and given a good talking to and now seems to behaving itself.

John

Re: Zenith and Nadir

mediavets said:
wco81 said:
as it's taking 3 bracketed shots each location?
May I suggest you start with single shot per position panos.

You seem to be trying to run before you crawl.

Andrew

I will certainly think about it. Just thought I would try it out and just set up in a place near my house. It certainly takes a long time to process the HDR and stitch so PTGUI is chewing up CPU for a long time, processing that many shots.

Next week, I'm going to Spain and want to try to take pictures of some plazas. Problem is these are sure to be crowded so people moving all the time. I realize it would be much easier to use a fisheye but want to wait a couple of months to see what the DSLR landscape looks like.

So maybe I could try it at night or at twilight, in the hope that these places will be less crowded. But then there are other sets of problems under those conditions too.

Re: FS: Agnos Mrotator + RingT105N for Nikon 10.5

sold

Re: Template creation

Tim,

For a Sigma lens, the crop circle and lens parameters in PTGui translate from tripod to monopod shooting.

I found the key to doing monopod panos well is to make sure the monopod is held perfectly plumb for each shot. A bubble level mounted on the monopod is essential. A compass may not be needed, depending on your lens. Be patient and do not rush it.

Keep your main attention on the bubble level. Stitching afterwards becomes a breeze. It is not accurate enough to do template stitching and sometimes you have to optimize for shift. After you get real good at monopod shooting, your hand held skills will start to improve.

Dennis

Re: FPP or KRPano?

pau valiente said:
As I remember the other great examples of this concept used in real virtual tours, I'll post them here.

Well, I did find the best example of what you can do with the video function in FPP ...

axis.uk-virtualtours.co.uk/

I think it's a fantastic job! It's made by "optical fx".
Cool.

Re: Smartblend on Mac OS X/ PT GUI

Hi Guys!

I have installed the 10.6.2 and everything run perfectly!

Regards
Tom

Re: Bentleyville 2009 - A tour of lights

DorinDXN said:
My congratulations too, the software used is krpano.

May I suggest that the snowing to be off from start, not sure if is need at all considering the scene, and fullscreen to launch in fullscreen the view without the map, not sure if there is a button to show/hide the map, the one I tried didn't work.
Also on my end the spinning nadir cap freezes the computer for more than one minute.

thanks for sharing,
Dorin

thanks for the info. based on your opinion i will make a button for LQ and HQ display settings in the tour. I am also going to make it so when it does go fullscreen the map is hidden and can be called upon.

Re: Pano head optins for me??

That's what I thought.

On the other hand, if comparing Panosaurus to NN3, the price would be almost 3 times higher for NN. That would still have me to recommend NN over Panosaurus (I own a panosaurus), simply due to the usability issue. So it just proves once again that going for the cheapest solution is not always the best way to go. Sometimes it really pays off to buy the more expensive equipment.

Personally I don't know anything about MK, but it appears to be a quality product. I own a NN5, and am completely happy with it, and that does make me biased towards that brand... combined with the service they provide.

I apologize to MK for this opinion of mine, especially since I do not have any experience with their products, and that should also serve as a pointer for people considering MK: Use the opinions of people who have actual experience of MK products, and not mine. I'm only saying that NN is exceptionally good for my needs.

Re: Samyang 8mm Fisheye Canon APS-C

How does the lens perform indoors? I'm thinking of using it to take the interior of a car.

Re: Chinese Opera Performance

I already have a look,it's nice.

Re: 360Cities Pano Contest: Win a Nodal Ninja, PTGUI, or fisheye lens!

any more contests planned for the near future?

Re: Flashificator and FPP versions problem

Thank you Trausti!

Re: HELP

Newto3D

Does your tripod have a level built in? sometimes I have found ball head and other 'levelling' devices more hassle. I often just screw the NN3 straight to the plate on the centre column and level the tripod using the built in level. This also gives a more stable platform than extra heads etc.
Having the tripod absolutely level is not as much of an issue as a lot of people think, as long as it stays put when taking all your frames.

Regards.

Re: 5D mkII and zenitar 16mm or samyang 8mm?

pau valiente said:
That takes me to another question, does smartblend do a real difference on stitching? You windows users, that's the only thing I envy from a pc ... I know, I could install a virtual machine or a win partition on the mac ... but I'm too lazy ...

Ok, looking at the forum I found the thread to use it by wine ... I'm testing it right now ....

Re: Need Canon 5D Mark II RAW Samples

Hi Tobias!
You have a 5D mark II too? I saw the samples of your site (home stairs) and where of a 5D.
Would you be so kind to send me a sample RAWs of a pano done with the samyang?
As you know I'm at a click to buy a samyang ...
Thank you!

Re: Sigma 8mm or 10mm?

Lots of CA. More than thee 10.5

www.360precision.com/360/index.cfm?precision=prod....camlensinfolist

Hans

Dealing with tripod shadows

I use three simple tricks to minimize the effort of retouching tripod shadows and repairing the nadir... these are pretty obvious, but maybe not.

Place the tripod legs in shade, then there is no shadow.

When in the sun, rotate the tripod until the shadows of 2 legs overlap. Then you have 2 shadows to retouch, not 3.

When the ground is irregular or featureless, place coins or small coloured balls on the ground near the legs to aid in patching the nadir.

Re: Pano2VR HTML Creation

gardengnomesoftware.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t...

Add into the <body> tag <align="center"> as shown in the code image above.
The size is the numbers shown 800 (in this example) is width and 600 is hight.

Regards, Smooth
www.smooth360.info

Pano2VR HTML Creation

Was curious as to how one edits a .ggt template in Pano2VR to get an exact window size and position...

thanks...

Re: what viewer is this.....?

stalwart said:
but the 'about the krpano Flash Panorama Viewer...' doesn't appear.

Doesn't appear with Pano2VR either with a company license.
All about the cash mate! (or your coding skills).

krpano.com/buy/brandingfree
Get your cash out....

Regards, Smooth
www.smooth360.info

Re: Advice for a newbie! All help appreciated!

ash khan said:
do any of you happen to have any samples of images taken with a 500d and a 8mm samyeng lens?

Looks like I'm shooting some images tomorrow with the Samyang and my Canon 10D for others to play with.
"If" I can find my son, I'll ask to borrow the 500D we gave him for his 21st birthday.

Regards, Smooth
www.smooth360.info

PTGUI won't show image

I processed a pano in PTGUI without the handheld nadir shot.

Then I added in the handheld nadir, added some control points to the handheld nadir, and ran the optimiser with only the handheld nadir image ticked to be optimised.

But now when I view the handheld nadir image in the preview window, it doesn't show anything:
www.iliveinabin.com/Img/ptgui-image-blank.png

It doesn't output the handheld nadir image when processing the panorama either.

Any ideas?

Dave

Re: how many brackets can canon 7D take ?

thanks a lot smooth. it sure looks pretty interesting and will sure place an order soon.

Re: Cubic Converter or Pano2vr for equi to cubic and back to equi conversion

Redmond Bunney said:
Does anyone know if there's any difference in quality of an equirectangular which has been converted to cubes to mess around with the nadir and then recompiled as an equirectangular when using cubic converter for mac or pano2vr?

Yes. You can see for yourself how much difference by layering the two images in Photoshop and setting one of the layers to "difference".

For Sale - 360Precision Adjuste MK2 and Manfrotto 055XPROB

Hi Everybody!

I have two items on sale.

1. 360Precision Adjuste MK2 - bought from 360Precision at £713.81 (£595 + £12.50 Shipping Cost + 106.31 VAT). See more details on here www.360precision.com/360/360.cfm (it's the second one from the left - the link to the exact product won't work for some reason)

2. Manfrotto 055XPROB - bought from Amazon at £106.20 (£99.95 + £6.25 Postage & Packing)
The company, Cameraking under the name of West Base Electronics Limited, was selling these from Amazon. See more details on here www.cameraking.co.uk/ViewProdDetails.asp?prod_cod...

I bought them on the 14th September 2008. These really are like NEW, USED FOR ONE DAY ONLY on the 09th October 2008.

I bought them for a new business venture with my boyfriend but it didn't really take off as he got the job offered and started working full time on the 1st November 2008.

Ever since the 09th Oct 2008, these have been stored away in the original packaging box that comes with so the condition is absolutely like NEW. I've been meaning to sell them but never got around to do it till now.

I am open to a reasonable offer on both. I would hate to see them go FAR below the market rate as these are practically new.

I prefer selling them together but I'm open to any offer. I am based in London.

Any quetions are welcome!

Thank you.

Soo

Re: Beginner question about Manfrotto 190XPROB & 804RC2 Head

Thanks guys, looks like I'll have some experimenting to do.

Re: Settings for 360Precision Adjuste MKII and Nikon d300s + Nikkor 10.5 2.8

Marek
360Precision.com should be able to provide the settings.

Doug Aurand
Albuquerque, NM

Re: Hosting VR panos

David,
Although I have my own site, for the past six months I've posted most of my panoramas on www.360cities.net/
It provides an excellent service with extremely fast download. Disadvantages are few. What you have to accept is that even if you give address to your friends they will easily swan off to other peoples panoramas. For instance try having a look at some of mine on www.360cities.net/profile/mark-schuster. You are soon likely to divert to other photographers work. Oh yes that is intentional, and if acceptable by you, that is fine. The only thing that niggles a bit (niggles me that is) is having to write at least a 150 word description. More often than not, for an historic site, for instance, far better and detailed descriptions can be found in Wikipedia. A small matter that I could take up with Martin who runs 360Cities and is a pretty good panographer himself.
On the whole there is nothing better than 360Cities and if your lucky you might even earn a few bob (bucks) through it.
Mark
PS With 360Cities anyone can embed your work in their HTML pages, but you can uncheck the box which allows this if you don't like the idea.

Re: PTgui Technique

Use Photoshop and Panopreviewer.
www.pangeasoft.net/pano/plugin/panopreviewer.html

Hans

Re: How Can you stitch anything but 12 photos at 30 degrees?

John
Ooops!

I got Howards thread about wider lenses and question about shooting landscape confused with what he posted in this thread.

Thanx

Doug Aurand
Albuquerque, nm

Re: Wider the lens better?

great stuff, thanks Doug

Re: QTVR on 64-bit Windows

Ken Warner said:
Hans Nyberg said:
Ken Warner said:
humm... I just double checked.

I set QuickTimePlayer.exe to Vista SP2 compatibility mode and it works just fine.

But did that also work for the plugin on websites.?

Hans

Is there one or two you would like me to look at? Tell me which ones are of concern to you and I'll take a look and report back.

Hey -- I just did something interesting. I set the compatibility mode for FF3 to Win XP and now QTVR works.

Heh!

Re: How is 360 Degrees of Freedom?

Robert
Tourweaver 5.0 will be a good Tour Authoring Program for your real estate tours, maybe some small hotels and Bed & Breakfasts who don't want to incorporate the tour into their website

For hotels that have their own website and a webmaster, all they want is the image files and plain working webpages.

I delivered the first of 5 hotel tours I'll be doing for a Texas company made with Pano2VR, there was the Flash .swf files, webpage .html files and Javascript .js file. They thought they were great and understood exactly how to make them part of of their exisiting website.

So for different markets, you may use different products to create the "tour."

Doug Aurand
Albuquerque, NM

Remote Reality one shot 360 and Nikon DSCS85 digital camera

Virtual tour camera kit by RemoteRealty for creating 360 view photos sutible for use in virtual tour web listings for real estate and other application that require 360 photos.

Kit comes in a professional shock pack crash case with high density foam. Camera is a 4 megapixil sony digital DSCS85 SLR style with still as well as movie mode. Kit also includes: Flash attachment, Super Wide lens 0.6X, lens and adaptor, software for creating photos, mirror mount and adaptor, extra new mirror, camera charger, 2 extra memory cards, trypod stand, 4 position camera and mirror swivel mount. Camera Nikon DSCS85, extra battery, lens cap, mirror cap and battery charger.

sacramento.craigslist.org/ele/1546367304.html

Don 916 599-6663

Re: http://www.eyerevolution.co.uk/tours/ma_sters_001/

Hans and Peter have already pointed out that the software used is FPP (Flash Panorama Player) found here flashpanoramas.com/player

If you have no problems with hand coding and you have a lot of time, you only need FPP.

If you value your time and don't know much or anything at all about coding, you can do your FPP works by adding Flashificator (FFC) to your arsenal: flashificator.com

The tour you linked holds 11 panos. Without adding the hotspots, but having the floorplan with clickable camera positions, you could have a similar tour done in 3 minutes. Adding all the hotspots... you could assume a minute or two for each hotspot, including making the image in Photoshop, aligning the hotspot in the image and linking it.... all depending on how fast you can/prefer to work.

Re: The "Hell" Tour - Beppu, Japan

Real exciting stuff, Red.

Would have been even more exciting if you had been standing in the middle. Something to remember you by?

This is a picture where sound would have been nice.

Don't make excuses about the ISO. It's one of the things us mere mortal photographers do from time to time.

I don't know what camera you're using, but on a Nikon, with D-lighting, it wouldn't have been necessary.

And a Happy New Year to you.

John

Re: how much do you charge a client for a 360 virtual tour?

Trausti said:
Got in contact with an advertising agency that has big clients. My contact person there is very interested in offering panos and object movies to his clients, and he claimed that my prices were way too low.... something in the range of $600 and up - for a single pano is what he suggested as a minimum. When they purchase professional images for their clients, they are paying minimum $450 for each image, and the panos should be much more... according to him, and he should know better than me... since he knows his clients and the market much better than me.

Will get some more meetings with him in the coming weeks, where things will clear up for both of us.

Trausti
Thats great.

I'd talked to a few ad agencies and they're much more confortable with higher prices. But part of the reason is they will pass the full cost on to their client while they expect a 15% discount from you, so the higher the price, the more the 15% they keep is.

I hope you get the work at that or close to that price

Keep us informed

Doug Aurand
Albuquerque, NM

Re: which lens is best when creating a 360 virtual tour (stitching of 12 images)

Jat Hayer said:
Which lens would you recommend

The lens you need depends on the camera model you have. Can you tell us what it is, i.e. Nikon D90, Nikon D700 etc?

Andrew Baddeley
www.360tacticalvr.com
stores.ebay.co.uk/360tacticalvr

Re: is 3d vista a good virtaul tour software package?

I have tried both 3Dvista and Easypano Tourweaver. But I prefer Tourweaver 5 pro. I think Tourweaver is easier to use. And I like its EXE output.

Re: Snow in Holland

Trudi,

Thank you for sharing your wonderfully cute Christmas Celebrations with us.

Re: Video Tutorials, tips, tricks, and more.

Kicking off the New Year with one of my favorites Featured Pano Photographer Ariel M. Ciudad Esférica of www.ciudadesferica.com! If you haven't taken a look at his work yet, NOW is the time.... its really some incredible work!

www.regaltips.com

Re: Nodal Ninja Decision

photonewbie said:
Thanks Doug, This is a big help. I'm also keeping my license current for that reason.

Ok, I have to order the NN and a Lens and start working with the software. Once I master it which hopefully won't be long I will look at other markets.

Thanks Again.

Robert

Depending on the FE lens you choose - which in turn will be influenced by the camera you have - then some Nodal Ninja pano heads will be more appropriate than others. If shooting with a FE lens then you probably do not need a NN head with the RD-16 rotator.

Andrew

Re: How do I specify the center of my 360 pano

Thanks guys... I appreciate the help! So since the pano head does 18 clicks around, but i only need 9, I can just do two clicks around per shot?... ill give it a go and see what I get.

Re: Lots of little moving objects in a pano... tips?

@ Denniss, I never got to see the panorama the other panographer made.

Re: What does Flashificator look like?

Fair enough.

and thanks for the quick reply..

Re: D300, Sigma 8mm, NN R10 5deg workflow

Tim
PTGui does the same thing with my Coastal Optics 4.88mm, makes a circle that leaves a lot of the image left out.

Unless I have a template set up for that set of scenes, I just manually expand the circle and apply it to all images.

Its like PTGui is cropping 180° and leaving the other 9° excluded based on the Focal Length and Crop Factor/Focal Length Multiplyer entries in the Camera/Lens Data window

Doug Aurand
Albuquerque, NM

Re: Never Save Stitched RAW Images As JPEG

I only use JPEG when I'm actually saving the finished image for upload. Other than that, I use RAW (and now) Tiff.

Re: I offer this to Trausti and Doug without comment

Thanks, finally a clock that makes sense.

Re: NPP for NN R10 / Sigma 8

Tim Eastman said:
Another question concerns whether PTGui does a better job than Panorama Tools at blending the zenith in a +5 deg setup. I seem to remember something about blend priority affecting the star pattern. I love the prospect of being able to set up for a pano so quickly.

If you just take 4 shots around, blend priority should be equal.

Nick

Re: Uppsala

Thanks for the comment John. Sadly, I live on top of a mountain in central Norway! A long drive to the coast. The Uppsala outside will be done again next summer, but there are other shots inside. Just click on the church titles in the menu and you will see inside the three churches.

And I am not going out with my camera for the time being. Not that it is grey: the skies are clear. And the temperature a record -40 degrees!

Jon

Wanted: European photographers in Asia

For an exhibition project a colleague photographer in Germany is looking for European photographers who live in Asia and who are not working on a complete commercial basis but who (also) realize their own private projects. If you think you match that criteria please contact me offlist.

Jürgen

Re: Locking the focus ring - most of it hidden with lens clamp

Smooth said:
You are better to make/mark the lens with corresponding lines (different colours) for each setting you wish to use.

Hmm...

Regards, Smooth
www.smooth360.info

Linear Pano Issues using Photoshop Photomerge

I have been taking orthogonal aerial photos of rivers and using the photomerge tool in Photoshop CS4 to stitch the images together. If the photos are crisp and are orthogonal, photomerge does a good job stitching 3 together. In an attempt to create a single, larger image, I typically take 2, 3 picture stitches and photomerge them together using the "collage" layout. When it works, the resulting 6 picture stitch looks good except the scale of the two merged stitches does not match. One of the 3 pic stitches is a smaller scale than the other. It is much easier to explain using the images themselves. The link below is to a picasa album which shows a 3 pic stitch normal scale and then when it has been photomerged with another 3 pic stitch and appears shrunken. It always seems to be the top image for some reason.

picasaweb.google.com/mccain19/RussianRiverStitches#

I hope this explains the problem clearly. Let me know if you need anything clarified. Any ideas or suggestions to fix this problem would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
McCain

Re: Advice for a Sony A100 Owner

Thank you Smooth and Andrew for the helpful tips.

Robert

Re: Which pan head and rotator is best for Canon 5DM2, nodal ninja, what rotator do I need?

TF22Raptor said:
What is the go with the 90degree click stop and 60degree click stop? That is not refering to the Rotators 8 and 16 is it? Or is it another peice?

The number 8 and 16 simply refer to the degree options.
The RD-8 has 8 degree options of 120, 90, 60, 45, 36, 30, 24, 20 degrees.

Where the RD-16 has 16 degree options to choose from of 120, 90, 60, 45, 36, 30, 24, 20, 18, 15, 12, 10, 7.5, 6, 5, 3.75 degrees.

You only need the 90 degrees for the Sigma 8mm and 60 degrees for the Nikkor 10.5mm

As Andrew pointed out you could get away with the basic standard NN rotator that is supplied in the kit. I personally recommend you get the far superior RD series rotator.

Regards, Smooth
www.smooth360.info

Re: Realviz/Autodesk Stitcher

Another alternative is the new release of Hugin 2009.4.0 from hugin.sourceforge.net/

Re: Okinawa traditional dance on stage in Timisoara

Thank you Harold and Happy 2010

Dorin

Re: How do you shoot Real Estate panos, work flow, ensuring you have a good pano etc

mn360
I'm making $100 for a 4 scene tour and $65 for 15-20 still photos, $79 for 25 (new MLS max # of pics)

And I've suggested the idea of the "Premium Tour" with Full-Screen viewing to a couple of my regular customers and they think it will be worth to pay another $20 to $30 for it.

They think if I can give them some printed materials they can us as part of their listing presentation, they'll get more listings at a price that will sell.

The problem's not the Realtor's treating your product as a commodity, its that you let them. Assuming your tours are worth more to them than the next VT photographer's tour.

It your work IS better (first question) and you can demonstrate it IS better (second question), you can get paid more.

Doug Aurand
Albuquerque, NM

Re: Deleting White Areas Before Stitcing Into Pano

I just saved them as Tiff and it has worked a treat! I have loads of images I can re-work like that and it means far less cropping of foreground etc.

Re: New pano of Karolinska Institutet

I should shot RAW next time. Just experiments with RAW processing, it gave white snow, white balance problem...

Re: Camera advice for Pano photography/virtual tours Canon 5DM2

The best place to spend your money will be on the lenses. If you are planning on going Nikon later, why not get a cheaper Nikon body now with the top notch Nikon lenses? Later on when you finally can afford the top Nikon body, your money spent on lenses will not ever have been wasted. 5 years later when you are ready to upgrade your camera body again, your lenses will still be there.

Re: What is the Difference between the Nodal Ninja NN5 & NN5L?

Ross
First, like a couple of us said, you probably don't need a panoramic tripod head to tale the partial panoramas you were talking about in the Vineyard thread, just a regular panhead

Second, if you do decide to buy the NN5L and things don't work out, you'll likely be to sell it for just a small loss. The Nodal Ninjas hold their value

You've mentioned "low budget" in that thread and this one, why not just try a similar scene with the equipment you've got and test stitch it?

You're asking our advise, why not try it out since it won't cost a thing?

Good luck
Doug Aurand
Albuquerque, NM

Re: Idun

If you want to get rid of the blue snow in the first image, make a layer copy and try a deep yellow filter at about 50%. Then mask out the background and buildings and alter the levels of the foreground to make it a little brighter.

I have just tried it with your copy and it works quite well.

Jon

What do you think of this proposed standard for tours?

Hi all,

over at www.DIY-streetview.org I am working on a new, free, GPLed system to create "unlimited tours". A.k.a. streetviews.

It works without servers and tour-configuration files, just the panorama images. The "tour info" is saved to the images EXIF.

I would like to know what you think, and ask for volunteers for help on a hugin How-To as well as programming with perl, actionscript and java.

The idea is to add a list of nearby panoramas to the EXIF data. Then a flash player (I am thinking of panosalado as a basis for development) can not just show the panorama, but also read that list and overlay clickable icons that lead to the next image. And so on.

Your own images can easily be linked to images on other servers by simply adding them to the list in the images EXIF tag.

I call the resulting file a streetview.

Streetview definition:
A streetview is a geotagged 360x180 degree equirectangular panoramic .jpg image that the custom streetview EXIF tag has been added to.

Example Streetview EXIF tag content (version 0.1):

{
“authorname”:”Jan Martin”,
“authorurl”:”www.DIY-streetview.org/newbusiness”,
“streetviewurl”:”www.diy-streetview.org/data/test/images/00000041. jpg”,
“highresolution”:”www.diy-streetview.org/data/test/images/highres/0.... jpg",
“nearby”:[{
"File":"www.diy-streetview.org/data/test/images/00000040....",
"Distance":9.79,"Bearing":179.58,
"GPSLatitude":49.994609,"GPSLongitude":8.664065,"GPSAltitude":184.393635},
{"File":"www.otherside.com/images/00000042.jpg",
"Distance":12.25,"Bearing":357.32,
"GPSLatitude":49.994807,"GPSLongitude":8.664056,"GPSAltitude":186.826041},
{"File":"www.differentwebsite.com/streetviews/00000039.jpg",
"Distance":18.35,"Bearing":179.78,
"GPSLatitude":49.994532,"GPSLongitude":8.664065,"GPSAltitude":185.109228},
{"File":"www.anothersite.com/streetviews/00000043.jpg",
"Distance":24.69,"Bearing":0.50,
"GPSLatitude":49.994919,"GPSLongitude":8.664067,"GPSAltitude":182.932895}
]}

In addition each streetview image has been geotagged and the bearing been added: Latitude, Longitude, Altitude, Bearing.

Please check out blog, forum and wiki at www.diy-streetview.org
Also there is a mailing list at
tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/DIY-streetview

Thanks,
Jan

1881 Hertiage

A formal marine police headquarters has converted into a luxury hotel.

www.my360vr.com/vr/heritage/heritage.html

Re: Virtual Tour Software Question

TTurner,

that might be just what I am looking for. Pano2VR looks great, but it's pricey to just use for patching. Is there a particular advantage to using Pano2VR to the plugin you mentioned? Why did you change your workflow to pano2VR?

Thanks a million everyone!

Re: Panorama head - reviews?

I have a NN3 for some years now and always carry it around in my camera bag, even if I'm not planning on shooting panoramas. It's small and light and easy to use. In fact, it may even be a bit too light. I have had some problems with motion blur with long exposures and when making hdr pictures. The NN5 certainly sounds like a better alternative. Btw. I mostly use my NN3 with a D90 and a 10.5mm lens.

Re: Nacademin, Stockholm

Here is modified version:

Re: Panoramic Setup for Vineyard Photography

You can also use a motorized head for vineyard photography, but I would go only with lightweight gear because I have no assistant or a sherpa for shlepping my gear.

A nice gadget is something like the Spieth Glas fibre mast to get a different viewpoint for this kind of photography. The weight is only 1.5 kg and you can use it up to 4 or 5 meters.
The mast is at the end of this page:
www.wimo.de/cgi-bin/verteiler.pl?url=spieth-porta....html

Re: New Year Count Down

actually the crowd were gathered more far away or even at other side of the harbor to view the count down firework as there were several buildings nearby also performed firework at the same time.

Re: Happy New Year

Wonderful. I knew the feeling (last night) - but my focus was more on the loo

Re: hugin 2009.4.0?

2009.4.0 is the most recent version of the source code, which has to be compiled by you to run on Windows. The version you have is the most recent pre-compiled one available for download.

see hugin.sourceforge.net/download/

Charles

Re: Make your own stitchless panos using PTgui and krpano

Ah - re-read and digesting:

"stitchless is like panning in 180° then switching to another 180° at every 60° of yaw"

I think I'm getting it. Although I would really like to SEE how this worked or didn't with 3 on shaved 10.5/fullframe vs6 on 10.5/cropped.

K

Desktop panorama scroller

Good day!

I'm glad to tell you about WallPanorama - panoramic wallpaper rotator. All you see wallpaper changers, they swap pictures one by

one. But what about shooth changing of one big panorama? WallPanorama can do it. It looks like you stay, for example, in wood and

look around, but icons from your Windows desktop are with you

But it should be tediously to see how the panorama are scrolled same speed and tediously? Well, WallPanorama can change rotating

speed withing scrolling. The speed is changing from quick to slow and back, as you set. It looks like you catch sight of

something after that tree... no? May be.. after that?

WallPanorama has internal colors modifier. This modifier allow you to change colors, brightness and contrast of panoramas you use

in WallPanorama. It looks like they do in graphics editor, PhotoShop or something else. So, if you dislike colors of your

panorama, you do not need to place it in graphics editor and edit it - you can do it "on-line" in WallPanorama

O'K, but what about simple pictures and wallpapers? WallPanorama can work with then too. You just need to set option "Mirrow" on

and you get panoramic image from you picture!

Are you interested in it? You can download and test WallPanorama from our site: www.wallpanorama.com

Re: Israel - Petra Holiday Tour VRs (Conducted by Singapore Bible Society)

Excellent panoramas. And if they are a commercial success, so much the better.
Mark

Re: Best portal to upload Vitual Tours????

Ken
If you were to make up some nice samples and target the agents who tend to take the higher priced properties, its fun. Expecially hen you get a couple of regular customer who appreciate your work

The thought of working with others has crossed my mind, but to make something like that work, I'd have to provide the equipment like a fisheye lens and a panoramic head. I had a couple people working for me a couple years ago, but it was usually a second or part time job and they weren't too dedicated.

You might just see if you could get some still photo work at first from a Realtor/friend. Do a couple free still shoots for them and see how it goes. No big commitment, just a toe in the water.

I also measure homes for Realtors, making a floorplan that calculates the square feet (there's no official record in ABQ). One customer found some one retired who like doing floorplans and just wanted some extra money on the side. The "measurer" doesn't do work for anyone else.

So you could make the ammount of work as big or small as you want.

As far as ski areas & golf courses, I've done them, both in video and 360°

Take a look at www.virtualgolfcoursetour.com and www.virtualskiareatour.com. I also have some 4 or 5 scene 360° tours on www.VirtualAlbuquerque.com of a couple of the city golf courses and one private course.

I'd like to sell a full golf course tour to the really nice course on VirtualAlbuquerque.com called Paa-Ko Ridge.

Later
Doug Aurand
Albuquerque, NM

Re: MK Panohead anyone

Hi:

We deliver the MK PanoGiga successfully since 2 weeks / 25 units are shipped around the globe . It is based on the MK PanoHead II.

You can call us +49 4181 94 95 48 or send us an email.
We are happy to advise you.

Greetings

Marc

Re: NN5 Vertical Rotator locking strength

Hi:

The goal of the new MK PanoGiga is that the upper rotator uses a small handle to tighten and easily loosended by flipping the arm ... and you can tilt up and down + / - 90° exactly in the nodal point (clicks every 5° or 15°).

Best regards from Germany

Marc

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Re: 360x360 or 360x180?

I came up with some uses for tours that can roll 360° vertically like my sample

www.vabq.com/Lounge.swf

The tour of the International Space Station would much more realisticly imitate zero gravity with full 360°x 360° spinning possible

It would be so much cooler than the old tour done by iPIX years ago

www.hq.nasa.gov/pao/iss/home.html

The tour requires the iPIX Plug-In, so I doubt anybody will be looking at the tour. You wouldn't want to contaminate your Macs with iPIX software

And an image of Virgin Galactic's Space Ship One and Two interior to simulate zero gravity the space tourists will experience would be great for their website. They'll launch from New Mexico south of Albuquerque

It could show what it would be like to do gymnastics on the Moon.

And it could show a much more realistic underwater experience for those underwater hotel websites coming someday. Like the Sheraton commerical in the movie 2010: The Year We Make Contact

Damn, I gotta get on the phone Monday and sell some tours

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Albuquerque, NM

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Re: Multi-language interface of Tourweaver 5.0 is available

Henri
I never calculate the price out to an hourly rate because I rarely work on just one thing for more than a couple hours at a time.

If I shoot both a virtual tour and a still photo shoot of a house, I can make $200

One home a day, four days a week, I make $800. Then
I spend 2 days at home finishing them.

If I can shoot 2 homes on the same day just one of those days, one in the morning and one in the afternoon, its $1000 a week.

With Albuquerque's low cost of living and being single, I can do pretty well on that and my other income I just send invoices for, but don't have to actually work for very often.

Later
Doug Aurand
Albuquerque, NM

Re: My last panos from Shiraz-Iran

Mohammad,
The panorama of Eram Gardens could be very nice if it wasn't for things going wrong. You live in Shiraz so why not have another try making sure you follow Johns advice. Make sure you create a full 360x180 degree (2:1) equirectangular image.
From the composition point of view, could you get a bit closer to the palace so it becomes more dominant. Don't forget, no matter what lens you use, or how many photos you take, a panorama always looks like it was taken with a 360 degree lens. The palace may look big from where you are standing but may look very distant once the panorama is made.
Do you think you could get a bit more contrast; a bit more dynamic range. The tiled picture above the palace depicts a horseman with a tall hat upon a white charger - a bit of enhancement with photoshop goes someway to show this. Any idea who he is? A former Shah perhaps? Look forward to seeing more of your stuff
Mark
This is what I mean

Re: For sale: Nodal Ninja 5, 360Precision Adjuste mkI, 360Precision Absolute EOS 50D/Sigma 8mm

Thanks for your interest!

Unfortunately, NN5 and Adjuste mkI are gone. I still have the Absolute available.

Cheers,
Mauro

Re: How to record view motion and show in flash

Thank You. I will try

Re: Eltville, Germany Panoramas?

bigwade said:
Hey Smooth, just curious, what is your link with Eltville ??

Family history 160 years ago on my fathers side.
Vine Dressers from Eltville. Captain William Ogilvie was recruiting experienced workers to establish wine grapes (vineyards) in "the colony" of New South Wales. The Pommies didn't know anything about growing vines, only drinking the end product!

Regards, Smooth
www.smooth360.info

Re: I want to upgrade my Kit

Hans Nyberg said:
I would get one of these
Canon 1000D, Nikon D5000, or Pentax K-x
Hans

After you mentioned the Pentax K-x in another email, I started reading about it and it sounds like a good deal. It has approximately the same sensor as the D300s/D90/D5000 and I saw one on ebay for $499 with a lens.

And the Pentax mount Samyangs are cheaper than Canon or Nikon mounts.

Re: Found a good use for the Manfrotto 338 levelling base

Maybe marked on one side with compass points?

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Re: Hugin problem

All the Panorama Tools based gui interface programs (Hugin, PTGui, PTAssembler etc.) share the same basic modus operandi, so tutorials written for one will often apply to the others, with due allowance for differences in screenshots, etc. Each product reflects the interests of its own developers and userbase, and so might be preferred according to the type of work generally performed. So it is that PTGui finds favour with those doing VR work, whereas the PTAssembler uers tend to be more interested in high resolution, printed panoramas. Hugin is not so focussed but has its own niche by virtue of being open source and free. Each can tackle jobs of various types, but some more or less easily than others.

There are Hugin tutorials at hugin.sourceforge.net/tutorials/index.shtml , and a lot of general advice and guidance can be found on the Panorama Tools wiki at wiki.panotools.org/ . A web search for tutorials for each of the gui programs will also bring up many others.

John

Re: First pano, with some questions

I should add I searched a year ago for freeware and didn't see anything specific.

But there are freeware and other commercial software which seem to be able to do it.

HDR Karolinska Institutet in winter

HDR, equirectangular and stereographic panorama of Karolinska Institutet.
75 pics: 8 in 0 degree, 4 in +60 degree, 4 in -60 degree, 1 nadir, 3 pics each for HDR.

For higher resolution and VR tour:
kwpano.blogspot.com/

Re: Wintermorning in Vienna

Fake it is......
Looks like some 1965 kodachrome postcard..

Re: Imatronics Offers You 50% Discount On All Virtual Tour Software -- Offer Expires December 31, 2009!

Happy Christmas Imatronics Team
All the best for the upcoming New Year.

May your sales prosper.

Regards, Smooth
www.smooth360.info

Karolinska Institutet in Winter

Equirectangular and stereographic panorama of Karolinska Institutet.
75 pics: 8 in 0 degree, 4 in +60 degree, 4 in -60 degree, 1 nadir, 3 pics each for exposure fusion.

For higher resolution and VR tour:
kwpano.blogspot.com/

Re: Hurry up, you guys are missing Christmas!

Smooth said:
michael przewrocki said:
as a professional i would not rely on chinese quality.

Nodal Ninja is Chinese and as a professional I say the Chinese can get it right. Like everything, good comes with bad. Don't discount your options and don't paint all with the same brush.

Regards, Smooth
www.smooth360.info

Absolutely agree.

There is Chinese QUALITY, and then there is the mass-production where there is no focus put on quality, durability, accuracy or customer satisfaction.

Printing beyond the 44" limit on an Epson 3000

In the recent thread on printing panoramas mention was made by JH of two potential ways of getting around the Epson 44" length limit that was "built in" to most of the earlier Epson large format printers, many of which are still in use.

John mentioned a User Defined Paper Length (Download via this blog entry: tinyurl.com/yfly92y) utility as one potential method, Qimage as a second method. I tried both.

To cut to the chase, I failed with both methods. I suspect, but cannot prove, that the reasons for failure have to do with the specifics of my set-up, AND the very large number of manipulations and software switches that need to be tinkered with; in the UDPS or Qimage Program, in the printer utility, AND in the printer itself. And, the time, energy, and amount of paper involved in the testing when one has to get to 44" in the first place to see of if is going to go beyond or not. Even re-using a single sacrificial sheet of 5' paper, and printing a narrow stripe, the investment in each tweak of a switch is significant and time consuming.

My setup represents an extreme of inertia and frugality (or downright cheapness), two Epson 3000's printing off of a desktop PC dedicated solely to printing (no internet connection, ever), XP as an OS, Photoshop 7. I do all my tweaking on my laptop with CS2, then import everything there to print. I have used that printer setup for coming up on a decade, have it pretty finely tuned for thousands of photographs, and am very leery of changing ANYTHING (such as replacing the PS7 with my CS2). KISS!

Another reason for failure is the knowledge that I could solve "44 inch limit" by buying a new printer, so how much repetitive, back and forth hassle to make the old setup work when rarely needed is worth it??

The UDPS utility SHOULD work, it mentions the Epson 3000 specifically. It does NOT address versions of PS that are or are not supported. It does NOT address whether any printer software swithes must be re-set. AND. it becomes the ultimate leap of faith when negotiating through the printer utility to set the paper size (to 55"), then hit "CANCEL", since hitting "OK" will cause the printer utility to re-set (permanently) the UDPS .dll to 44", and proceed after the CANCEL. Remember, more than 4 feet of 17" paper is at stake here, and you won't know whether it's working until it gets to 44". And even if I got it to work ONCE (didn't), do I want or need that much uncertainty every time in the future? But the utility IS free. ANd it SHOULD work, theoretically.

Qimage has a 30 day free trial. It is a very dense, non-intuitive (to me) interface and a daunting learning curve It does NOT address whether printer-internal software switches must be changed, or whether one MUST be feeding the printer through the "banner" feed on the top/back or through the front feed since the printers sensing of paper presence in one feed or not could be critical. (I tried it both ways) Qimage tries to trick the printer into printing two successive images (split sections of the original)without a line feed/paper advance so they come out joined seamlesly on one long sheet of printer paper.
Again, there were too many variables and unknowns to be tweaked and tested. I gave up after the fourth failure.

Maybe, someone out there might have some insight. Both progams SHOULD work. But, given the number of variables to tweak, and the time and investment in paper and ink, I decided that THAT upgrade in my in-home capacity (I have friends with big-boy printers) will have to await further developments or a new printer.

Peter Patricelli
www.flyfishingfotography.com

Re: Christmas

happy Christmas

valentin.europhoto.ro/christmas/Christmas.html

Re: Web designers always asking me for .FLA files - Merry Christmas!!!!

Tom, just a warning: according to the user license of most software it's illegal to "reverse-engineer" the program. And that's exactly what you are about to do..

Re: Best lens for a D200/300

mn360 said:
I did mention a full size sensor as I was considering a D700, but for now I will hold off as Nikon has to have some new bodies in the works.

Mate, they "always" have new bodies in the works!

Your D300 and Samyang 8mm will give good results, if you end up with a D700 (or whatever Full Size sensor) all you need to do is have the sunshade/hood petals shaved off.

Regards, Smooth
www.smooth360.info

Re: Nodal Point setup

It is safe to use the Sigma 8mm fisheye settings with the Samyang 8mm they share pretty much the same numbers when setting up for the NPP. Of course you need for the Sigma 8mm numbers to be correct in the first place.

www.easypano.com/forum/display_topic_threads.asp?...

Regards, Smooth
www.smooth360.info

Re: Return visit: PTGUI problems

Thanks Hans. No, I've never changed anything in the prefs since - well, ages ago, I forget. But I will now.
Roy

Re: recommendations please for a new PC & monitor

Hi all, and Phil.

I've put together this specification for a new PC:

Asus P6T Intel X58 (Socket 1366) PCI-Express DDR3
Corsair XMS3 6GB (3 x 2GB) DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600
Nvidia GeForce GTS 250 Green 1024MB GDDR3
4 x Samsung SpinPoint F3 1TB SATA-II 32MB Cache
(2 as storage RAID 1, 1 for OS & programs, 1 as scratch disk)
Cooler Master Silent Pro 500 PSU
Dell UltraSharp U2410 monitor
Windows 7 Professional 64 bit

What do you think?

Stu

Re: Testing Help needed

Thanks very much for the feedback guys.

Not exactly the kind of trouble-shooting I need to be doing just before Xmas.

I wonder if it could be to do with their server? They should be exactly the same tours. I have 3DVista looking into it.

Merry Xmas and a Happy New Year to all. I don't post regularly enough here. However, this is almost a daily stop for me and I get some great information and read some interesting debate.

Take care,

Morten

Re: HDR Panorama of Samuelsson-Salen Hall

Kah-Wai Lin said:
Thanks! It's look really nice! Can you tell me how to do that in more detail, I was trying but no success.

Basically you extract a patch via Pano2VR or a Cube Face if you wish (in this case). Look at the overall picture and notice the straight lines. Using Photoshop Healing Brush Clone/Pinch/Borrow/Sample from similar features to correct the area as required. Be sure to select the "Mode" as normal and the "Source" as sampled. I used a soft brush of "8". You can up and down the size of brush as required but the "feathered edge" stays the same. Practice makes perfect as they say.

Skill comes with time and experience. For me, it was normal to do this with just about every panorama because I started long before cool features like View Point Correction or even the Photoshop Healing Brush and that was many thousands of panos ago.

This one is a pretty easy example to get you going.

Regards, Smooth
www.smooth360.info

Re: Still needing a hand, please.

G'day John,

Whilst everybody has their methods and will settle for what appears to be good. My method hopefully is a step past that. Though, rough enough is probably good enough!

Your latest images are improved with the nadir now looking like a circle.

The control points "totally auto" came in at

There was NO control points to be removed via "Delete Worst Control Points".
After removing 3 control points that were on moving tree branches after wondering why there was a few over limit and without the need to reposition or add extras

Anyway, it would seem the settings are good. If they can be improved is just a matter of testing by moving fore and aft on the exact scene with same lighting position and conditions (indoors is best).

I'm sure most people would be happy with this type of result.

Now you need to remove/replace the "extra" blue detent plunger on the Nodal Ninja so that it is behind the shooting field and so it can't be captured in shot. I simply place it in another hole without tensioning it.

You then can opt to shoot with -15° and lock this position using the upper arm thumblock on the Nodal Ninja or do as Hans suggested shoot at -10° so that you don't capture any of the panohead but yet still minimise the nadir footprint/hole. Either way makes little difference and the thumblock makes it easy for repeatable results.

Good luck with your panoramic future.

Happy Christmas

Regards, Smooth
www.smooth360.info

Re: Quicktime and Windows 7 64-bit Pro

etegration said:
i use FSP for preview when needed. PTGui will pass the file to it.

See www.fsoft.it/panorama/FSPViewer.htm

Me too. No problems using FSPViewer with PTGui on W7 64.

Re: Happy Holidays everyone!

Henri Smeets said:
Thanks Smooth, all the best to you too!

Strange though you don't see anything, anybody else not seeing the image above or able to view the link?

All good now!
Must have been your server sleeping.

Nice scene and a great Christmas feel! Very nice.

"Happy Christmas"

Regards, Smooth
www.smooth360.info

Re: Update

Happy Christmas to you too.

Dorin

Re: Summer and Winter

Good use of the panorama Mark.
thanks for sharing!

If you want some critcism, just let me know, as I'm always happy to provide such

Dorin

Re: Batch Builder in PTGUI

I would not dream of mixing the Raw files together with other files.
I always output Tif or Jpg in a separate folder.

Hans

Re: A kindergarten show

Thank you John.

Some where taken from monopods (I have a setup made from two monopods joined together and it allows me to rise camera up to 3m+ and can be mounted on tripod as well. Some were handheld. I used an NN3 rail to mount camera on tripod, but now there is a r1 to pole adapter wich I'll order eventually, then will be easier.

I was invited there by a friend, the kindergarten is the first of its kind, is a special project of a nonprofit organisation and sustained by the church.
Was nothing prepared. I mean the people didn't know that I will gonna take pictures.
So I tried to do my best, them surelly were surprised at the begining how I was turning around for each shoot
but at the end they saw the panos and liked very much, that's why the 3 hours delay until I start to upload.

The kids were simply lovely (I take photos of kids of their age and bit older since '86 obviously on film back then but I have fresh memory of they like was yesturday)

By the chance, a girl from kindergarten was also starring in a another set of livepanoramas I took about one month earlier
www.livepanoramas.com/event/IzenaNoKai/ (all handheld)
please look at how she dare on the stage at 20:12 hours and dancing after on

and here, in kindergarten show,
www.livepanoramas.com/event/gradinita/
how she is dressed up by his mom at 17:38 (the first 17:38 one)

thanks and Happy Christmas to you and to all the readers here
Dorin

Re: Flash panos in Safari are playing jurky in OSX 10.6 - found simple solution

Have now also tested last Beta on Windows XP. No problem , No loading problem for any version of flash panoramas. No panning problem with weird behavior.

I also got Safari on my MacBook to work but it is not easy.
You have to revert to Safari 3.2.1
The 4.04 is the bad bad one. That would have been easy if not thew stupid Apple developers had introduced an no go back function in Safari 4.04

This also has been done in Quicktime and it has caused a lot of angry people who has a lot of problems with with Safari 4 and the newer quicktime versions.
robertnyman.com/2009/06/11/impossible-to-uninstal...

I managed it simply by coping my 3.2.1 version from my PowerPC to the MacBook. Apparently there is no problem installing 2 versions on PPC but the 3.2.1 installer refuses it on my MacBook.

I really hate that Apple have introduced this stupid Windows behaviours on Mac. We are used to without problems installing as many versions as we like of software.

Hans

Re: Newbie Pano Question

Carter Hickman said:
Ok yes that is the basic theory, but I need to stitch them together...

You do not stitch images for an Object Movie. You shoot a series of photos "x" amount of degrees apart maintaining the same distance and spacing for each shot. The more images the smoother the panning will appear. 10 degrees for 36 photos produces nice results.

Doesn't matter the size of the object the theory remains the same. Say you wish to shoot an Object Movie of a car. Find an area where you can set a tent peg into the ground and using a taut length of rope mark out a circle with 10 degree spacings like a pie. Then drive the car into position so that the centre of the car is now over the tent peg position. Place your tripod centre line over the first 10 degree marking and shoot then move to the next position and repeat until you have shot 36 images.

Bring these 36 images into Object2VR and create your Object Movie.

The only other option is for the car to spin 360 degrees on a turn-table at 10 degree stops and the camera/tripod can sit in the one position while you shoot the 36 images.

You need to watch out for the sun and shadows when shooting. Finding level ground will also help. Practice will reveal the pitfalls.

Regards, Smooth
www.smooth360.info

Re: VT/Pano maker needed

G'day Lew,

I have been using 3DVista for around 4 years now. It is the greatest asset I have in my business. Here is a sample that uses the features you mentioned;

tour.rottnestisland.com.au/summer/

I think 3DVista's Show 3 is a highly underrated software solution. If you have Show 3 I am sure you could produce something that would impress the client.

Feel free to cantact me if you need some more info or help.

Morten

www.trueview.com.au

Re: Nadir dissapear??

I found the problem. I saved the masked image as jpg, therefore the masked part appear as white color. I should save it as tiff, and now it's work.

VR tour here: kwpano.blogspot.com/

Re: Community Panorama

Course you can

Re: Images

No, it's not solved - at least, not on IE8. It's not just the vertical height of the image window that's a problem, the actual width of the image displayed in the image window determines the width of the page immediately below so you get long, long lines of text that are awkward to read. FireFox displays the page perfectly. However, this thread ought to be in the Website Feedback forum.

John

Re: One-shot panoramas with Canon S3 IS

Loads very fast! You might be hearing from me if I get some christmas money.

Re: Another Panoramic Poster

Thanx Dorin

Have a Merry Christmas and Happt New Year

Doug A

Re: A question about the R-D16 rotator

How many pixels are there in .1 degree on what size sensor?

Doug Aurand
Albuquerque, NM

Re: People Shadows in Panorama

Thanks everybody

I am not using bracketing, probably it will resolve my problem, I m going to try.
I will take smooth % john ´s advices too.

Thank you again

Re: 180 Degree Camera Rotator for Panography

John
I suspect that's an experimental rotator from iPIX.

The stem looks exactly like the stem on the rotator that comes with the Coastal Optics 4.88mm sold by iPIX.

I've seen another like yours for sale on eBay a year ago and the seller said it fit a Sigma 8mm f/4 which iPIX did work with.

Richard Boughner, an iPIX Sales Manager, told me after the bankrupcy and his layoff, that iPIX was planning on focusing their equipment plans around the Sigma 8mm as the FC-E8 and E9 had been discontinued and they wanted to improve the quality of the images they produced.

So yours will probably fit a Sigma 8mm f/4 but may not fit a f/3.5

Doug Aurand
Albuquerque, NM

Re: Hotspots

for me (FPP user) the commanderplugin from tommy would be fantastic.
wirestam.com/panos/Flash/plugins/commander.html

it triggers the hotspot or what ever action you want when you come near to it.

Or the zoetrope plugin.
www.redshift-blueshift.com/panofiles/zoetrope/Zoe...
that way you keep it empty and trigger it when you come close.
sam can be don ofcourse by using alpha=0 and when you go over the hotspot alpha=1 for example.

Re: New Fine Art Panoramas and more from Iceland

And please tell me, does Steini Fjal mean Stoney Mountain when translated?

J

Karolinska Institutet

Panorama (equirectangular and stereographic) and high dynamic range (HDR) image of Karolinska Institutet.
linkahwai.blogspot.com/

Equipment: Canon 400D + 10-22mm EF-S lens + Manfrotto 190X Pro B + Panosaurus
Software： PTGUI, Photoshop CS3, Flexify plugin, Photomatix Pro

Re: Introduction

smi1e said:

Nonetheless, is there also an option to adjust the blend of the pictures on Autopano?

Not that I am aware of.

Andrew

Nikkor fisheye adapter FC-E9

I have a Nikkor FC-E9 185 degree fisheye adapter for sale with front and back caps in very nice condition
www.amazon.com/Nikon-Fisheye-Converter-requires-c...

I also have a Nikkor wide converter lens WC-E68 (no caps) with UR-E5 extension tube

$180US for both together

Peter Murphy

Re: Newbie Help Please.

MexicoRealtor said:
I sure do appreciate you both giving me a hand. I figured it had to be something like that. I used the NodalNinja decision tree and assumed it would be that easy. I am so glad my months of frustration are over!!! I hope the folks at NodalNinja can give me a hand and that I can get a friend to bring me the NN5 to Mexico. I need to start taking pictures of houses so I can make some money.

Thank you again for the input. Obviously the R1 is not for my needs.

John

Hi John,

Sorry for leading you to buy the wrong product. We should mention that R1 with full frame fisheyes work for outdoor panos only. Since we fail to do that in the product decision true, we will take up the responsibility and offer you swap/upgrade/ refund. Please contact your seller.

Nick

Re: Hugin and "fit"

Ah OK -- that seems to get it into the "Good fit" state.

Thanks.

Re: Strategies for Nadir shot

I use Hugin to stitch in the nadir, which is usually taken handheld. Generally I have no problems with getting a reasonable stitch.

I load in the nadir shot just like the others.

I crop it to avoid my feet.

I assign it a diiferent lens to the other shots, this allows me to optimise its angle of view, barrel, and image shift.

I make sure that the rest of my pano is all sorted, aligned and optimised before locking them in place and then separately optimising the nadir shot.

I put a selection of alignment points around the edge of the cropped area of the nadir. Then it is simply a matter of optimising the nadir shot position, angle of view, barrel, and image shift. I usually only need to use the b parameter for the barrel distortion optimisation. Hugin may warn you that some of the optimised parameters are very large, but this can be the case if your shot wasn't near the position of others.

Hope this helps.

Cheers,
Daniel.

Re: Laos Panorama

I have uploaded some more panoramas, this time from Luang
Prabang, a UNESCO World Heritage City in the north of
Laos at the Mekong River.

Luang Prabang has many Buddhist temples and every morning
around sunrise you can see a long procession of monks
walking silently through the streets asking for alms from
the women patiently sitting on their mat at the curbstone
and offering sticky rice to them.

Regards,
Chris

Re: What do you think?

i like both sites. one of them is overloaded. at least one has access to everything needed.
perfect would be a simple site.

Re: Timisoara view in the rain

Jon,

Yes, the pit falls of an Aussie Summer come into play. You mention the Sydney Funnel Web Spider en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_funnel-web_spider but along with that we get the Red Back Spider en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redback_spider the Eastern Brown Snake en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_brown_snake , Great White Pointer Sharks en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_white_shark , bloody mosquitoes medent.usyd.edu.au/photos/mosquitoesofaustralia.h... and Blue Bottles www.australianfauna.com/bluebottlejellyfish.php and that's not to mention the bush fires.

Where I am we get four legit seasons where heat can be a factor in Summer around +45 degrees Celsius and Winter around -10 degrees Celsius (rare for snow in town) but on the outskirts and near by we get enough to paint the scene White a few times a year.

Anyway, here's to blue sky's and another stinking hot Aussie Christmas!

Did I mention the flies? www.viacorp.com/flybook/fulltext.html

Regards, Smooth
www.smooth360.info

Re: Merry Christmas from Sorel and John

John Willetts said:
Let's kiss and make up.

As there weren't any vertical or horizontal lines of reference, I just couldn't understand where you were coming from.

let's do it. Just for the sake of a better job done, and really really now I'm done with this, this statement is more closer to the truth.

the idiot was looking at some particular trees which are known of growing vertical despite the level of the ground

John Willetts said:
Interestingly, tell us all, and let's have a discussion, who you think are 'the best'?

About the best, as I said them are known as the best we are very thrilled and very prowd of being members of the same forum with them. Anybody khows who they are.
When the best post a panorama along with the congratulations they also recieve some opinions (read criticism) about some issues who one thinks that can be better or even may be fixed w/out reshoot or restitch, that's benefic and also help in keeping them on the best position because regardless of the reaction (i.e. the way to receive and deal with the oppinions) the next or even that very pano will be better from then on, because they know their craft.

So one may say that to be the best is very easy: first you must post some panos and receive some critics then fix and take care that for the next ones the techincal problems don't be an issue again.
As the number of technical faults in a panorama are limited and even can be very much reduced by buying proper(or better) gear at certain point in time one is able to produce a technical correct (if no perfect) panorama.
At that time one can reduce the making of a panorama to a simple press down with the finger on the shutter button and a lifting up of the finger from mouse's button (sometimes hours or days later) but is no more problems (provided the same shooting conditions).

Now one is like a kid with a perfect camera in his hand, very thriled but at time zero because he need to seek the composition in 360°, proper subject, proper message, the virtual visitor starts to think on the subject rather to the panorama, so again posting again receiving critics and to be the best is near after the corner.

Once you are the best, to be known as the best is a matter of time, it eventually accure, is not a crystal clear algohorytm of how this works but works.

I wish you all the best,
Dorin

Re: Seitz Roundshot Super 220 VR for sale

hello david
do you have the special shift-head included? if not, how much does it cost? this head increases shift due to the fact that only center part of lens is used.
which lenses did you use and how large are image-heigts(min./max.) thanks a lot

Re: 21 Pictures Tell You How to Install a Car GPS Device

I think it's an object movie.... gone a little wrong...

Re: Manfrotto 190X Pro B with 486RC2 for Panosaurus?

Just bought it from the shop

Re: QTVR Research report

PhotoWebUSA is the exclusive Virtual Tour and hosting provider for Carlson Hotels (Radisson) and they're still using Java as the primary, but are moving from QTVR to Pano2VR for their larger display viewer.

I let my iPIX license lapse in September. I was only using their iPIX Java Viewer, but have switched to Pano2VR for the content I provide the webpages for. The hosting & distribution service I use for my Real Estate tours handled both iPIX and PTViewer images, so I just provide an Equirectangular Projection instead of an iPIX file.

The world always moves forward

Doug Aurand

China Lianzhou International Photography Festival 2009

Hi all,

I'm honor that I'm one of the participant in this exhibition because of my works of Lower Ngau Tau Kok Estate ntk.johnchoy.com

And I 'd like to share the 360 of what I take during my time at Lianzhou www.johnchoy.com/?p=614

For what really my exhibition is, you may also take a look at www.johnchoy.com/?p=551

John

Re: More Color Advice Needed

Having a well calibrated monitor is great for ensuring color accuracy in the work flow. That said, the legions of non calibrated monitors sure can make a hash of your best intentions! As a CRT dinosaur, do LCD monitors have any better color consistency? I assume most users have LCD monitors now.

Re: Danish 360 degree product photo company

Our camera is just a standard DSLR

Lightning setup is four interfit 9-bulb lamps, and we use a homemade automatic turntable with homemade software.

I believe there are some solutions out there that can be purchased for the same purpose, but we couldn't really find anything with a price we could accept, if it had to be automatic, precise and able to carry heavy weight.

Kind Regards
Allan

Re: 360 Precision Absolute in or built in level Hot Shoe level ?

Glen
I think you've got the concept.

But an odd variation might help you understand better, automobile interiors are often shot rotating the camera on a horizontal pole/axis, then the axis is changed in the stitching program to a vertical axis.

The same method is often used with the horizontal pole out windows of tall buildings or over the side of a bridge.

But not moving the setup after the first shot is essential for the best and easiest stitching

Good luck
Doug Aurand
Albuquerque, NM

Re: Looking for the best online photographer portfolio

www.Graphpaperpress.com has some nice themes for Wordpress.

Re: Season's Greeting - 360 Pano of Santarinas

Actually everything was shot in a studio against a white background.

The studio was fairly large and thus allowed for lots of positions and jumping around (Dance VR).

The "room" was created in Photoshop.

Re: 8mm lens comparisons? Peleng, Sigma, Samyang

dbur
It depends on what you call "quality."

Many VR Photographers use resolution as the only gauge of "quality"

If this is your definition of "quality," then yes the Samyang 8mm will produce "better quality" than the Sigma 8mm on the same camera

I've always assumed that beyond a certain point, "quality" was more a result of the skill of the photographer than the equipment.

I use a Sigma 8mm f/3.5 on a Canon XTi (10mp) and can produce a 8000x4000 pixel Equirectangular Projection.

Normally I stitch a 5000x2500 pixel image, do my post-stitch editing in Photoshop which usally includes applying the Filter Unsharp Mask, then convert that image into a Flash cube in Pano2VR with 750pixel faces which is roughly the equivalent of a 3000x1500pixel Equirec Projection.

With a 80% Quality setting in Pano2VR, this is more than enough resoltion for Full-Screen display on a typical 1024x768 monitor over the Internet. You can see the result in this link;

www.vabq.com/mcmdallastx/index.htm

Note if I want more resolution, all I need is to upgrade to a 12, 15 or 18mp Canon, and keep using the Sigma 8mm I have and still shoot fewer shots than the Samyang 8mm

Hope this helps
Doug Aurand
Albuquerque, NM

Re: Single image hotspot in Pano2VR

If you do the coding in a Wysinwyg editor or a text editor does not make any difference to me. It is still coding and you need to learn how to do it.

And it takes the same time to do it.
The Pano2VR editor is absolutely not easy to work with when you need to do special things.
Hans

Re: Problems with my skin!

Hi Erik,

Thank you I will give that a try.

Paul

FS: Nikon 10.5 DX Fisheye

Nikkor 10.5mm DX
- Mint as it gets, not a mark on it. Sharp as a tack!
- USA Version
- Comes in Box complete.
- $575.00 shipped in CONUS insured.

Re: Glossary and abbreviations.

Hi smi1e,

Take a look to this page wiki.panotools.org/

regards!

Re: Edge sharpness and fisheye focusing

Piotr Maciak[b said:
John, Dennis,About the blurring, what kind of blurring do you use?

Piotr,
I use lens blur. I have the nadar shot open in Photoshop and the the panorama open in PTGui. I apply blur, save, then do a preview stitch. It usually takes about 2 or 3 tries to get a match. PTGui's auto load function is wonderful.
Dennis

Artist as a Panorama Master

www.theautismnews.com/2009/10/24/portrait-of-an-a...
this reminds me of a similar master who did a large painting of greater basel-switzerland here. as of frustration he had it destroyed at the end! he should have made a digital panorama-poster for selling it.
www.stephenwiltshire.co.uk/
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Wiltshire
michael przewrocki-mpa

Nikon 8mm rare fisheye

Just saw this lens for sale near my office, if anyone is interested I am happy to act as a go between. (unless you are a new member) vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/rds/pho/1499809353.html

have fun
Dylan

Is there and official statement from Apple about QTVR Support

I just put together a proposal to a Hilton hotel for a Virtual Tour.

They have a couple cylindrical images in QTVR and I want to suggest Flash to them

Is there and official statement from Apple about QTVR Support and whether it will continue?

Doug Aurand
Albuquerque, NM

Re: Stockholm - Sweden - Unusual ultra secure hosting centre by BHNHOF ISP

yes , Seba is right -
a lot of Ikea stuff in their technical department .

But computer hall was pretty advanced .
They were very carefull about what was not to be seen .

Hans - regarding proportions :

I'm afraid it is too late this time - but I want to learn :
Do you mean we should make viewing window higher ?
and smaller FOV ?

Emirates Panorama - Dubai, Abu Dhabi etc

Hi all,

over the last years I have continuously updated my site
and added a lot of panoramas from Dubai, Abu Dhabi
and the other five Emirates. Please have a look at:

www.emirates-panorama.com

Regards,
Chris

Re: Ancient Japanese Historical Site

I don't know how things are done and what can be done in pano2vr, and what/where it's limitations are, so my observations are based on what I would expect in a tour made with FPP... as the initial response probably shows.

A catch 22 is something we just have to live with, and pick and choose what best fits any given situation.

As to the mouse wheel scrolling affecting the underlying page... yes, there is some code to be added that can prevent this (at least on FPP projects... should be general?) but I am the last person to be consulted about code. I don't like ANY kind of code... unless it's accessed and executed with a mouse click/movement/keyboard. There are those here who are good at many different codes, who I am sure are willing and able to give a good advice on this.

Good luck, and thank you again for sharing this with us.

Trausti

Re: Wanna make some money?

You're dead right, Ken. They were Mormons - but I scared them more than they scared me.

Re: OT Getting a Gitzo for free but...

probably not, but those gitzos are totally rock solid, maybe brick solid is a better word. anyway it's a great find, my old 320 studex has been used so hard and is still great.

Re: Tourweaver 5.00 Beta is released!

Trausti said:
Thank you for clearing that up.

My pleasure

Of course we all know that iPIX controls Microsoft, Adobe, Google and Easypano and is trying to destroy the virtual imaging industry

You know they faked the bankruptcy don't you?

Re: Interactive virtual tours

fr3d said:
Well, either way, I think if I were to purchase FPP I have a superb resource to ask for help! So I will start evaluating all these different programs as soon as Andrew ships my Nodal Ninja! =)

It WOULD be superb if I could combine 360-degree panoramas and my old 90-180-degree cylindrical partial panoramas in the same tour.. But maybe that's asking for too much.

Cylindrical vs. spherical is about a different type of projection of stitched images, it is independent of the FOV.

Here's another description of projection types:
www.autopano.net/wiki-en/action/view/Understandin...

Apparently krpano can now support cylinders and partial sphericals:
www.krpano.com/forum/wbb/index.php?page=Thread&po...

Andrew

Re: Ptgui HDR error / noise ... can anyone help?

I agree completely with Michel. Your workflow looked very weird to me.
I enfuse the original 16 bit bracketed shots using enfuse Gui first and then stitch them in PTgui .
This workflow is much faster than doing the HDR/fusing in Ptgui.
And the result is much better.
With EnfuseGui which is now available for Mac you can actually use up to 4 cores for the process which means it is a matter of a couple of minutes enfusing all 7-8 sets.

Even on my old G5 dualcore it takes just 4 minutes and the stitch take 10 minutes. PTGui takes 30 minutes to do the same stitching 3x8 with fusing.

Hans

infrared panoramas

Check out some awesome infrared panoramas.

blog.360cities.net/infrared-panorama-photography/

Jeffrey

Re: Roundshot VR Drive

Smooth,

Pretty good delivery time for such a long distance.

I'd be interested in seeing your adapter design, and any other VR Drive mods you come up with.

All the best,
Harold

Re: Some construction panos

Gus,
Yep, that makes sense.
Thanks
Mark

Re: OT. Canon guy meets Nikon girl

OMG! The moment in the 2:20 time is really hillarious

...but we have more bikinis

blog.360cities.net/new-streetview-imagery-in-cesk...

Re: Lake Illawarra

Hi Dan, I'm surprised you have not had a response yet to your request for constructive criticism. Rare on this forum but here's my 2 cents.

I like the pano, horizon seems to be level. The sky is excellent!

1) Check your levels, it looks a tad dark on my monitor,

2) There are a few stitching errors in the bricks but hey, bricks are tough!

3) The full screen button does not produce full screen for me. It just turns the black frame to white.

4) Oh, and you might want to limit your zoom in.

All in all, not too shabby.

Re: NN180 w/ 30mm offset T-adapter with p5100

Thank you,
I figured it was just because it was a universal mount and not something I had assembled incorrectly. Bummer, I really like the build quality of the mount. I've not see the Agnos rotator, but they were out a while back anyway, so we went with the NN180. I'll have to look into the Precision 360 set up in the future.

Thanks again for the help.

Re: Creating 180 degree pano with PTGUI. How???

www.panoguide.com/forums/qna/6629/

Re: DUBAI - 360 Panorama Photos and Virtual Tours

nice moon nice effect.

Virtual tour software-Tourweaver 5 is offcially released!

What's new in Tourweaver 5.00
Added features
* Support adding flash and video components on skin or popup window. (pro only)
* Components can be displayed in full screen. (pro only)

Improved features
* Hint can be image or Flash animation. (pro only)
* Popup window can be displayed on mouse over. (pro only)
* Movie controller for specified movie.
* Support .EXE as publish format. (pro only)
* Use one button to control open/close of multiple popup window. (pro only)
* "Hide map automatically" can be set as to the scenes that doesn't need map. (pro only)
* Optimized publish resources.
* It is optional whether to hide hotspot initially or not.
* "Zoom in Scale with FOV" is available in Preferences settings.
* Zooming in/out with mouse is optional.
* Double click to full-screen mode is optional.
* Copy and paste hotspots between different scenes or maps.
* Copy and paste components between different popup windows. (pro only)

For more details, please refer to www.easypano.com/Virtual-tour-software.html and www.easypano.com/virtual-tour-gallery.html

360precision ATOME 10.5 and 8mm

Hi!
Selling my Atomes for Nikkor 10.5 (new, never used), and Atome for Sigma 8mm (new, used a few times).
Complete and new.
Please pm me if you're interested.

Cheers, Wim.

Re: USB extension cord

From www.usb.org:

Cables and Long-Haul Solutions

1. Why are there cable length limits, and what are they?

A: The cable length was limited by a cable delay spec of 26ns to allow for reflections to settle at the transmitter before the next bit was sent. Since USB uses source termination and voltage-mode drivers, this has to be the case, otherwise reflections can pile up and blow the driver. This does not mean the line voltage has fully settled by the end of the bit; with worst-case undertermination. However, there's been enough damping by the end of the bit that the reflection amplitude has been reduced to manageable levels. The low speed cable length was limited to 18ns to keep transmission line effects from impacting low speed signals.

2. I want to build a cable longer than 5 meters, why won't this work?

A: Even if you violated the spec, it literally wouldn't get you very far. Assuming worst-case delay times, a full speed device at the bottom of 5 hubs and cables has a timeout margin of 280ps. Reducing this margin to 0ps would only give you an extra 5cm, which is hardly worth the trouble.

3. What about using USB signal repeaters to make a cable longer than 5 meters?

A: Don't bother. The best solution is self-powered hub with a fixed 10m cable that had a one-port bus powered hub in the middle. The maximum range will still have to deal with the timeout, so any out of spec tweaking of the terminations between the two hubs and the timing budget still won't yield more than 5cm of extra distance. A better solution is described in the following question.

4. I really need to put a USB device more than 30 meters away from my PC. What should I do?

A: Build a USB bridge that acts as a USB device on one side and has a USB host controller at the other end. Use a long-haul signaling protocol like Ethernet or RS-485 in the middle. Using cables or short-haul fiber, you can get ranges upwards of a kilometer, though there's no reason why the long-haul link in the middle of the bridge couldn't be a pair of radio transceivers or satellite modems.
Embedded host solutions capable of doing this already exist. Also, two PCs connected via USB Ethernet adapters are essentially a slave/slave version of this master/slave bridge.

Note: I have no dog in this fight, was aware that there is a recommended length limit (15' for high speed devices, 5+ feet for low speed devices. I don't even understand the answer completely. All of which does not explain why someone could get away with a longer camera to computer connection. The date of the above information is unclear.

Peter Patricelli

Six hotel virtual tours ordered

I just got a call from the corporate marketing manager that ordered the virtual tour in the SecondGenerationVirtualTour.exe link I put in the thread about CD based tour software.

She verbally ordered 5 more, maybe 6, hotel tours.

One GM is in a big hurry and may want to shoot in December. I pointed out the problem of Xmas decorations, so January is more likely.

The hotel in the link is in Dallas. There are 5 more in Texas and one in Albuquerque. I guess I'll be touring the Lone Star State for the first quarter of 2010

BTW I took tturner's suggestion and looked at another HDR blending option and the Exposure Fusion process in Photomatix Pro doesn't produce the over-saturation that the HDR/Tone Mapping process does sometimes. It doesn't do as good a job on "window views" but the red/browns in wood furniture are more natural and subdued. In a couple scenes, I composited source image sets with both the Exposure Fusion and HDR/TM processes and then used the EF funtion to blend them into a 3rd set that had some of the vivid color with a natural look. The Lobby with its red stained wood came out much better.

Tommy thanx for the constructive criticism, the customer loved the improved look

Later
Doug Aurand
Albuquerque, NM

Re: Mobile Solutions with 360 Panos?

Yup, PangeaVR is the best option at the moment for iPhone.
It still leaves quite a bit to be desired but playback is nice.

PangeaVR is a free app and once installed your on your way. People viewing will also need it installed. Still, it's free and a light download.

PangeaVR Pro $12.99 from memory allows you to download panos to the hard drive for local playback anytime. Though you lose Thumbnails, Text, Auto-Rotation, FOV and Zoom restrictions.

It's about time someone did this better.

Regards, Smooth
www.smooth360.info

Re: 360x180 panorama without panohead

Absolutely, but in September, that is quite good. You have to bear in mind that John took the photo in the Autumn.

Now as Trausti, Hans and Panoramix NO will attest, in Scandic countries we have two seasons: the White Winter and the Green Winter.

Oh for that lovely English Autumn splash on the face as you walk to a pub on the corner and have a pint or two (not at Systembolaget/Vinmonopolet prices plus) before staggering home again, with that lovely Green Winter splash on your face!

Jon

Re: Renting lens - UK

Yes, England is cheap (apart from house prices), said Jon, as he took a sip of Norwegian-bought red wine. I have estimated that each sip costs about 40 pence, UK-wise. And that has nothing to do with the size of my mouth!

Jon

For Sale - 360 Precision + Manfrotto Leveller + Manfrotto Tripod

Offered for sale by a colleague :

360 Precision Absolute for Canon 5D & Canon 15mm Fisheye
Manfrotto 3 way leveller
Manfrotto Tripod

eBay Item :270490230842.

For Sale - Kaidan C60 Object Rig, QTVR

Offered for auction is a complete studio object solution which includes object rig, light tent, halogen studio lighting and bespoke rig control and remote release for Canon 5D cameras.

Kaidan C-60 Object VR Photographic rig supplied with all accessories, 2 x 2 x Interfit Halogen Lighting kits, 2 x Interfit softboxes, 1 x LightCube. Single user license of bespoke camera control software. Original eMcee Kaidan control software.

International shipping, installation, setup and training available.

eBay Item : 200410621838

Any Q's, please don't hesitate to contact me direct. andrew@virtuallyviewing.com

Re: black lines in Hugin/Enblend output

Apparently, this is a known fault. Brunu Postle responded elsewhere with:

"This is a known enblend (or system library) bug with very large
panoramas. It only effects some systems, I've never seen it myself
even with projects that fail for other people. There is a bug filed
for it here:

sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid...

It has been noticed that it is related to panoramas that wrap at
360°, so if you can stitch your panorama in two halves that might be
a workaround."

Re: Head for sale

Hi Greg,

It looks like a little construction crane, quite different.

You might want to tell us a lot more about it if you really want to sell it.

How much does it weigh? Does it break down for transport? Does it have click stops or.... Looks like it uses a quick release plate, which one from what vendor? What's the uppper arm movement range and/or dimensions of it? What's it made of, how strong is it, that is how much weight can it take?

and can we see a picture of it's back side? And/or in action.

Regards,

Robert

awesome NATURE panos

some totally AWESOME nature panos

by Yiannis Koukourakis, Zaellig, Adam Dreller, Kool-ish, Tom Hurley, and Dieter Kik

blog.360cities.net/the-most-fascinating-nature-pa...

Re: Where's Denis from Flash Panorama Player

Got the files. Thanks Freddy.

Cheers, Wim.

Re: Screen saver?

You're right, Seba: it's much more than I'm looking for--it seems to sell for more than US$300!

Anybody know of more affordable options?

Anyone know how to get in touch with "benj007"?

Hi all,

I am trying to get in touch with user "benj007".
However he does not answer the mail I send via this forums form.
Anyone knows how to contact him?

Thanks,
Jan

Re: Bracket-stitch question

thanks Hans

Re: 5D Mk2 and Sigma 10mm

has anyone else shaved a 10mm?

Yes I did:
www.360pano.de/en/tokina-sigma-nikon.html#sigma

Regards
Tobias

Re: shift lens vs stitching

Stiching images with PTAssembler you can define your own projection. Look for Hybrid Projection at the end of the page www.tawbaware.com/projections.htm

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Quality is very good for a bandwith limited to 800Mbits/s.
Frame rate is adjustable up to 30fps.

We used it only for testing purposes.

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Re: Left and Right control sets lock out

Hi there Ryan,

Did you try to download 2.3 beta 4?

I'm running 2.3b4 version and I never experienced that problem, nor did I manage to reproduce it (tried few times ), seem fine all the way. Perhaps you should upgrade yours or report that to the author on his forum:
gardengnomesoftware.com/forum/

Very good and proactive Pano2VR support in there.

Re: lake superior vacation home

Nice Work!

Sound is great as it brings in that extra dimension that really adds to the immersion. I also like the rotating logo. All your stitches seem of high quality.

A few points I noted (only had a quick look);

• The map does not stay open for me. As soon as I move the mouse away, it closes.
• The field of view (on my 24") feels a bit too wide in some panos for my liking. It creates an unnatural feel.
• I would also be very conscious of ensuring that the internals always start with verticals being vertical. The ‘View from family room’ was particularly bad.
• With that beautiful view, I would use 7-9 stops of bracketing.
• Also, to highlight the views I often shoot in the doorways. This can also reduce the number of panos required simplifying navigation (sometimes less is more).

Here is a Real Estate Tour which uses a couple of doorway shots;

www.trueview.com.au/stratton/index.htm

I really like the tour, and I hope you don’t mind me making all these suggestions.

Regards,

Morten

Re: Cube face size, number of sub-tiles--what does it all mean?

Weld
Unless you're going to make some montrous image, 20,000 x 10,000 pixels and a giga-byte file, you're fine with one tile

Some features like the tiles was made for the days of 9600 baud dial-up connections

Doug Aurand
Albuquerque, NM

Re: Panorama head

Not sure why you think it looks like a NN3, looks to me like a copy of the 303SPH, the elbow hinge looks interesting, not sure how it works from the pictures.

But, how bad can a web site be, their site is one of the worst photography product sites I've seen in quite a while.

Love all the detailed product info and high quality product shots - NOT.

Maybe the OP will buy one and let us know if what looks like flex in the upper arm is real

Re: Question about nodal point in zoom lenses

Thank you both. I'm scheduled to get the new 70-200 on Friday, and I'll try the test that John described.

Re: White balance

Andrey Ilyin said:
Once I've shot two very important panos within 1.5 minutes, it was huge hall and I should shoot first pano, than run from one end of it to the opposite one, over 100 meters, set my tripod and camera and shoot another pano.

That is where automatic remotely controlled panorama heads can come in very handy. You could set up both the manual and automatic tripods/heads/cameras, start the automatic head from the remote, or have someone close to that head to start it for you, if you would be out of remote range... and at the same time shoot the pano from the maual head setup.

Of course it would require having all that equipment. Personally I think I am too much out of shape to run any distance, and still be able to make a proper shooting session.

Re: Eye clinic, operation

Obviously I was too absorbed by fighting with real errors and missed minor ones

This series was shot with tripod, but it's legs were moved to the center column slightly. But it was covered with some sterile tissue, the legs were booted in surgical gaiters etc. so the blind spot was pretty large and it caused a lot of problems to me.

The head - World Standard Nodal Ninja 5 with R-D4 rotator (thanjk you Bill and Nick for great gear!). Camera - D300, lens - Sigma 8/f3.5

Re: Stitch marks?

Martin, I don't myself make much use of the Blended + Layers option. I usually prefer to output a blended panorama to use as a base image together with the odd layer or two of individual images as and when necessary. It doesn't make much difference whichever way you do it. Either way you need to select parts of an image to overlay the base usually with a mask, and make appropriate adjustments to persuade the images to align and blend. This can involve distorting the image with the Transform options, and making brightness/colour/saturation adjustments - particularly with graduated selections that enable one side of a selection to be adjusted without changing the opposite side, the adjustment tapering off in between.

John

Re: Comprehensive Book about Panoramic Photography in German

due to significant interest we're indeed thinking about an english version.

Re: How to (re) place the nadir?

Hi, Hans!
Thanks. You´re right, there is almost none vertical reference inside a car. I already noticed it.
That´s why I thought to use some "artificial" reference next time. Actually I thought of fixing a vertical reference at the windows itself. I think that could serve as well, because I cover the windows and have no view outside the car.
Thanks, Martin

Re: What should I do with the Pantheon? -3rd try

Success!

I finally figured out how to manipulate the pitch in the preview screen and that did the last trick. I still need to fix of few control points but the method is working.

www.panoguide.com/gallery/1574/

Re: Thank you www.360tacticalvr.co.uk

Andrew is awesome!

He's helped me with so many questions over the last few years.

Doug Aurand
Albuquerque, NM

Re: VR turntable shots

mrc said:
I have software and necessary equipment, but need some direction on how shoot.

Sounds like "I have a camera but need some directions on how to take pictures".

Re: For the fisheyers

How is life without geo-cities?

Re: fpp+ffc

PTgui does allow you to make cube faces. You go to Tools>Convert to QTVR/Cubic... Drop in the equi file you got from PTgui, change the "Convert to: " from the default to: "Cube faces, 6 seperate files" and finally change the default "TIFF" to "JPG".

... and it will output cubefaces for you.

If you have FFC, you simply drag one face onto it in the start (after giving your project a name) and it's ready for being published. Or make a couple of clicks to add navigation buttons. A couple of clicks more if you want to direct to your own designs of buttons. Put maps, hotspots, and anything else you may desire with only a few clicks. When you have made your own design, you can save it as a template and use it for future projects. Make changes to it and save as a new template. There is still a lot to be done to make things even easier, but it is being done on every day basis, and FFC is already the easiest and most flexible panorama creation program there is.

The javascripting you might need, is in the FPP documentation/example files, and you will always find friendly people who are willing to help out if you need help. Hans can give better answers on the java and hand-coding issues than I can... he knows a lot, and I know absolutely zero about it.

Re: Finally a simple program that makes a CD based tour

Hans
I was right, AutoRun Typhoon 4 has a Flash Player built in to it

Here's what it says about Flash on the Failsafe page

www.typhoonsoftware.com/filetypes.htm

SWF - Flash Presentations
Overview
AutoRun Typhoon includes the Flash Action, which will play your SWF files. You can also embed your Flash animation into a Web Page.
Failsafe
When using the Flash Action you don't have to worry about a Failsafe Program. AutoRun Typhoon's Flash Action doesn't need any previous software installed to play your SWF files. The Flash Action supports SWF files up to version 9 of Flash.

Cool, I can take the requirement for Flash 9 or 10 off the CD label

Doug Aurand
Albuquerque, NM

Re: Pano2VR Fullscreen Button

Pano2VR and Projector Fullscreen starter files.
gardengnomesoftware.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t...

Regards, Smooth
www.smooth360.info

Re: D200 D300S

You will notice a difference in the screen, the sensor and much more.

You can even decide to go for the cheaper D300 (look for a deal) if you don't need the video and other extra tricks it has up it's sleeve.

Look here for the differences between D200 and D300:
www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikond300/

And here for D300 <> D300s:
www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikond300s/

Re: Kraków catacombs

Mathrafal said:
Would you care to share with us your camera settings and what equipment you used, etc?

Sure. It was my standard setup: Canon 5D, EF 15 mm and NodalNinja 3, shooting 6 around + zenith + offset nadir. Two different tripods (an old 'frotto 055 and a small Benro) were used on two consecutive days as I went light on the equipment on the second day. I only wanted to reshoot some stills then and of course I finished up doing a few panos more .

As there were lots of people moving around it was not practical to bracket the exposure. No HDR this time then, just single exposures of up to a few secs. 5D managed large contrast quite fine (as always and the equalizing was done in post in LR and PS.

Actually the biggest problem were the great big tripod/camera shadows from the harsh lighting, and retouching them in PS took some time.

All the panoramas were made with the available light while still images were lit with a single off-camera flash bounced from the walls. Proper lighting is the clue here as it can really bring the depth to the bodies. I have some ideas now I'll probably try next year...

zbooy

PS. The experience was strange, enlightening... but not scary.

PS'. panoramy.zbooy.pl/360/search/broumov%20mummies/e - this one's on a similar topic, made in an old abbey in the Czech Republic.

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panoramy.zbooy.pl/