SkyStudio
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Flash or HTML5
Posted: 3 Oct 2011 at 16:01 GMT
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Hi there,
My question is about final file which should be placed for viewing panorama. I mean it's a huge noise about HTML5 and Apple's tablet device. Personally I have Iphone 4 and Ipad, but I don't use them to review real estate listings or while considering a hotel's choice before vacation. I use laptop or desktop. But it's me...
Does anybody have some statistics?
My question is directly related to the choice of Pano2VR or FFC+FFP. The last one doesn't support uncle Steve's creatures...and offers only flash. But seems has much rich functionaly as for me, but I'm worry about Apple's users and their impressive fast growing trend.
Or it's a possibility to place 2 files the same time and browser will use what is workable for the exact user?
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Hans Nyberg
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Re: Flash or HTML5
Posted: 3 Oct 2011 at 16:09 GMT
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KRpano produces both Flash and HTML5 CCS3 in one go.
Same xml almost same features available.
Hans
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Smooth
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Location: Mount Panorama, Australia
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Re: Flash or HTML5
Posted: 3 Oct 2011 at 16:36 GMT
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I wouldn't get too worried about HTML5 unless you already have a paying job that demands it.
The writing is on the wall for iPad/iPhones with competition running hard and fast from better developers producing Smartphones and Tablets using Android with 100% Flash support.
Yes, I also own an iPhone ...
Samsung Galaxy S II smartphones and tablets are being pushed very hard in Australia ATM.
Pano2VR can produce both Flash and HTML5 WebGL/Css3 with a Skin Editor, So to Easypano Tourweaver and the already mentioned KRP.
In the end if you want to see it properly, you'll want the Flash version.
Regards, Smooth 
www.omnipix.com.au
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SkyStudio
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Re: Flash or HTML5
Posted: 3 Oct 2011 at 17:36 GMT
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to Hans and Smooth.
Thanks for your input. Yes, I know about other software like Kolor ones, etc. Panotour + Autogiga are much more expensive, but have nice interface, but limited in terms of functionality. So, my personal choice is in between Pano2VR and FFP.
As I mentioned I like FFP because of its rich functionality (I'm still trying to learn), BUT I'm worry not having Iphone/Ipad support.
Is it an issue for the paid panoramic photographer? I'm currently working for free trying to build a portfolio. Do you clients want to see HTML5 or it's just a fashion and in reality a minority used to watch full spherical panoramas on their iPhones/Ipad?
What can be a solution? To use only Pano2VR  ?
If I make 2 output files with it (flash+html5) is it a chance to put both on my server and user's browser takes what it wants to show panorama?
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Smooth
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Re: Flash or HTML5
Posted: 3 Oct 2011 at 17:49 GMT
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I certainly wouldn't be sad because you use Pano2VR or any of the others for that matter. All are perfectly acceptable. You of course have a learning curve ahead of you. To be honest you better pick one because learning more than one will do your head in!
I'm part way through a good paying job and I have to cater for both Flash and HTML5. The sniffer scripts produced by Pano2VR will direct the viewer to whatever is appropriate to their device. Tourweaver also produces an "auto" script.
Had the client not asked specifically in the tender I wouldn't have even offered it. But because I could and did offer it, I got the job.
I personally don't know of anybody who chooses to watch panoramas on a tablet or phone over a computer. I'm sure some exist, I just have never met them.
Regards, Smooth
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iam360Texas
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Re: Flash or HTML5
Posted: 3 Oct 2011 at 18:08 GMT
updated: 3 Oct 2011 at 18:10 GMT
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A month ago, a client asked for Flash AND Mobile READY (including iPad2 and iPhone4 [html5/CSS3] finished work. Fortuantely Pano2vr 3.1x will do both in 1 go.
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mediavets
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mediavets
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Re: Flash or HTML5
Posted: 3 Oct 2011 at 18:34 GMT
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SkyStudio said: Yes, I know about other software like Kolor ones, etc. Panotour + Autogiga are much more expensive, but have nice interface, but limited in terms of functionality. So, my personal choice is in between Pano2VR and FFP.
As I mentioned I like FFP because of its rich functionality (I'm still trying to learn)
That 'rich functionality' is only delivered/realised if you can use the tool.
In my opinion Panotour Pro is far easier to use than either Pano2VR and FFC+FPP - and it can build dual platform (Flash and HTML5/CSS3) tours.
Andrew
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SkyStudio
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Location: Toronto, Canada
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Re: Flash or HTML5
Posted: 3 Oct 2011 at 19:47 GMT
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Andrew,
Do you know a way to buy Panotour Pro with a discount?
Thank you.
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Tourdesign
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Location: United Kingdom
Registered: 24 Aug 2011
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Re: Flash or HTML5
Posted: 3 Oct 2011 at 19:56 GMT
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Skystudio, you have a Canon 5dmk2, Canon L series 8-15mm and you're now trying to squeeze discounts and look at alternatives to the promote (in another thread) due to it's price??
I must add I disagree with comments on here regarding HTML5/CSS3 offerings. Maybe in the UK it is different, but most of my clients now expect added support for I devices. Pano2vr and KRPano are both excellent programs, i'd stay away from FPP due to it's lack of HTML5 output.
Unfortunately, whether we like it or not, flash has an awful rep, which is why developers and companies themselves will want an alternative. It seems every marketing exec has an iPad or iPhone and adores it.
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Hans Nyberg
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Re: Flash or HTML5
Posted: 3 Oct 2011 at 20:16 GMT
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Tourdesign said:
Unfortunately, whether we like it or not, flash has an awful rep, which is why developers and companies themselves will want an alternative. It seems every marketing exec has an iPad or iPhone and adores it.
I must agree.
It is actually not what the actual users need but it is about what the clients want and that is now iPad and Android Tablet support.
And remember that even if Android supports Flash that does not mean that it supports the same viewers as the desktop.
I have both FPP and KRPano at my site but my Android Smartphone can only load and show the KRPano and it does that even if it is large 8096 cubefaces or gigapixel panoramas.
Hans
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Trausti - FFC
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Re: Flash or HTML5
Posted: 3 Oct 2011 at 21:07 GMT
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We can all have opinions... I think it would be better to bring out visual examples of what it takes to make a project with the mentioned programs.
The following is an example of how things are done with Flashificator in order to create a very simple project with 6 panos/navigation controls/nadir cap and tour selector... something I understand should be possible to do with PTP as well. I would of course be interested in seeing how it is done with it... is it easier? faster? less complicated?
Hopefully one of you good folks can make a counter-recording, showing how such a simple project is made with the other players.
Here's a link showing how to create it:
www.screenr.com/mBXs
Here's a link where the project can be explored:
goo.gl/ZP5Qm
This is of course a very simple project demonstration, a couple of minutes to do. The project could be saved as a template and replacing the panos or adding more panos or working further on the project could be done if one wanted.
I have shown you mine... maybe you would like to show me yours 
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Tourdesign
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Re: Flash or HTML5
Posted: 3 Oct 2011 at 21:51 GMT
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Trausti, how about showing us an HTML5 example? 
I really don't understand your reluctance to progress. I would love to be able to use FPP with FCC, but as a professional panographer I can't as my clients demand choice. Something that FPP doesn't offer.
Both KRPano and PANO2vr have realised that many professionals NEED to be able to offer their clients a non flash option, why not FPP?
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Trausti - FFC
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Re: Flash or HTML5
Posted: 3 Oct 2011 at 23:04 GMT
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How about you show us an HTML5 panorama example?
I have seen one html5 pano... it was not impressive or good looking.
Why doesn't FPP support Safari panos? Because it is not a part of the concept.
Does that mean there won't be any support for iOS in the future? No, it does not mean that at all. The future support will be there, but not now. There are reasons for this situation. Technical reasons.
Many people don't need safari panos, and those many people are the absolute majority of users in the world. That is a fact.
In 5 hours Adobe releases Flash 11 and AIR 3. It is something that will change the landscape once again. Anyone who doesn't ride that wave, is going to miss out on everything.
Show me any other panorama software that can do this:
www.screenr.com/jBXs
Sorry... none other can. How can it be that people's needs for having twitter incorporated in panos in a distorted and interactive manner haven't been met by other players?
Just saying 
We all know that a Ford isn't the same as a Mercedes, which again isn't the same as a Hummer, which isn't the same as a Ferrari. All are vehicles, but none of them are the SAME vehicle. Embrace differences and different options.
We will have iOS support options when the F11 player package is complete. It will also contain things that other players do not have... lots of things that other players do not and will not have for some time to come. And then they will catch up (as is the norm).
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No One
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Re: Flash or HTML5
Posted: 4 Oct 2011 at 6:07 GMT
updated: 4 Oct 2011 at 6:24 GMT
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SkyStudio said: to Hans and Smooth.
I'm currently working for free trying to build a portfolio. Do you clients want to see HTML5 or it's just a fashion and in reality a minority used to watch full spherical panoramas on their iPhones/Ipad?
What can be a solution?
SkyStudio,
This is your problem, STOP working for free. It will only get you more work for free. If you need to build a portfolio, find some public or charitable places that can make great 360's, perhaps a tax write off? But never give a commercial venture a free 360, you will become a fool in their eyes.
And does not really matter if it's for free what platform(s) you support, you will starve and your for free clients will never respect nor pay you. Why should they, you did it for free before, what's different now?
The solution is to charge your clients. Then you buy FPP+FFC, Pano2VR and KrPano and afford the time to learn them as needed.
Never sell yourself short. Don't be a boy just giving it all away.
The solution is to make money, it never starts by giving it away.
Robert
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