Jack Kutis
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NN Ultimate M1-L wRD16 vs. 360Precision Adjuste Giga
Posted: 28 Feb 2011 at 22:19 GMT
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I'm in the market for a solid 360x180 pano head able to handle a D700 with grip and a wide angle lens. But I'd also like to give my 70-200 a try for some giga panos, so the head should be able to handle it. I've been hearing good things about NN so I'm thinking about the Ultimate M1-L wRD16 but Adjuste Giga looks good to me too. Since the difference in price is not dramatic which one would you get?
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Doug Aurand
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Re: NN Ultimate M1-L wRD16 vs. 360Precision Adjuste Giga
Posted: 1 Mar 2011 at 2:15 GMT
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Jack
The 360Precision Adjuste Giga is available for shipping now, the NN M1 isn't for a little while
I'd get the Adjuste for the Pin Mount Plate if it includes a pin position for your D700
Doug Aurand
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No One
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Re: NN Ultimate M1-L wRD16 vs. 360Precision Adjuste Giga
Posted: 1 Mar 2011 at 5:20 GMT
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Jack,
You need to make some decisions, be confident about 50% of them will be wrong in retrospect. (how many times do you need ask about lens choices?)
Both heads will work just fine. The 360P head will look and feel much better, the NN will work just as well in post processing. You really can't go wrong with either - just buy both 
Support the 360 world 2x!
Robert
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Jack Kutis
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Re: NN Ultimate M1-L wRD16 vs. 360Precision Adjuste Giga
Posted: 1 Mar 2011 at 7:59 GMT
updated: 1 Mar 2011 at 8:05 GMT
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Thank you Robert. I posted the lens question in somebody else's thread. Then, I thought it would be more appropriate to start my own thread with the question. I should have deleted the first post-sorry. I also think that the 360P is visually more appealing but that's about the only thing I can tell from the pics alone.
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Jack Kutis
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Re: NN Ultimate M1-L wRD16 vs. 360Precision Adjuste Giga
Posted: 1 Mar 2011 at 8:03 GMT
updated: 1 Mar 2011 at 8:05 GMT
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"Jack
The 360Precision Adjuste Giga is available for shipping now, the NN M1 isn't for a little while
I'd get the Adjuste for the Pin Mount Plate if it includes a pin position for your D700"
Thank you Doug. It's not like I need the head tomorrow - "early March" is absolutely fine. Yeah, the pins seem to be a clever and handy feature.
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Hans Nyberg
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Re: NN Ultimate M1-L wRD16 vs. 360Precision Adjuste Giga
Posted: 1 Mar 2011 at 9:22 GMT
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Jack Kutis said: I'm in the market for a solid 360x180 pano head able to handle a D700 with grip and a wide angle lens. But I'd also like to give my 70-200 a try for some giga panos, so the head should be able to handle it. I've been hearing good things about NN so I'm thinking about the Ultimate M1-L wRD16 but Adjuste Giga looks good to me too. Since the difference in price is not dramatic which one would you get?
Just for your info.
The design of the Ultimate does not support shooting zenith at 90 degrees with the 14-24mm. The max you can tilt up will be around 65 degrees depending a little on the Camera, D700 or D3.
However you can shoot 4 around at 45 degrees instead.
Hans
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Nick Fan
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Re: NN Ultimate M1-L wRD16 vs. 360Precision Adjuste Giga
Posted: 1 Mar 2011 at 10:23 GMT
updated: 1 Mar 2011 at 10:27 GMT
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Jack Kutis said: I'm in the market for a solid 360x180 pano head able to handle a D700 with grip and a wide angle lens. But I'd also like to give my 70-200 a try for some giga panos, so the head should be able to handle it. I've been hearing good things about NN so I'm thinking about the Ultimate M1-L wRD16 but Adjuste Giga looks good to me too. Since the difference in price is not dramatic which one would you get?
NN Ultimate M1
Cons:
*7.5 deg upper rotator vs 5 deg, limiting lens to 200mm eq fl and below.
*No accurate settings available for cameras and lenses means you need to take 10 mins to find it out.
*Short vertical rail means add-on accessory is needed for full rotation with many lenses.
*Camera specific camera mounting plates are still under development means you may need to tolerate with a universal one.
Pros:
*Arca Swiss compatible system to work with large array of high end accessories such as ballheads, camera plates, lens plates, L-brackets, gimbal arms etc.
*Multifunctional rails to use as macro slides, lens plates etc.
*Fully modular design. Components work for future models and accessories means pay less in the future.
*Fully QR enabled design means setup and break down in minutes.
*compatible with Fanotec lens ring mounts and other lens rings for telephoto lenses.
*Single knob operation vs 3-plunger operation, much easier and intuitive.
*RD16 to support ultra-wide fisheyes to 275mm telephoto lenses.
*short vertical rail means enhanced stability for large telephoto lenses for Giga-pixel panos/ mosaics.
* Nadir Adapter coming soon will make nadir patching much easier. Nadir adapter increases the vertical headroom to allow full rotation for most lenses.
*Upgradable to support >400mm lenses.
*integrated rail stops to support multiple NPP on the fly.
*industry's leading customer support
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Jack Kutis
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Re: NN Ultimate M1-L wRD16 vs. 360Precision Adjuste Giga
Posted: 1 Mar 2011 at 11:46 GMT
updated: 1 Mar 2011 at 11:54 GMT
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Great info Nick - many thanks! BTW I just found out that you can't use the 360P mounting plates with a grip. They recommended detaching the grip for panos. I have an L bracket from RRS- that should work with NN Ultimate M1 right?
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Juergen Schrader
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Re: NN Ultimate M1-L wRD16 vs. 360Precision Adjuste Giga
Posted: 1 Mar 2011 at 12:48 GMT
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But mind that there's a reason that using a camera with battery grip is not recommended for use with panoramic heads. Also make sure that the tripod mount of the grip is centered in the optical axis.
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Smooth
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Re: NN Ultimate M1-L wRD16 vs. 360Precision Adjuste Giga
Posted: 1 Mar 2011 at 13:33 GMT
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There is absolutely no reason why you can't use a battery grip. I use them on all but one of my set ups and it has never been any issue. Other than the fact it changes both the upper and lower rail settings.
Regards, Smooth 
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Nick Fan
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Re: NN Ultimate M1-L wRD16 vs. 360Precision Adjuste Giga
Posted: 1 Mar 2011 at 14:01 GMT
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Jack Kutis said: Great info Nick - many thanks! BTW I just found out that you can't use the 360P mounting plates with a grip. They recommended detaching the grip for panos. I have an L bracket from RRS- that should work with NN Ultimate M1 right?
yes, fully compatible.
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Nick Fan
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Re: NN Ultimate M1-L wRD16 vs. 360Precision Adjuste Giga
Posted: 1 Mar 2011 at 14:03 GMT
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Juergen Schrader said: But mind that there's a reason that using a camera with battery grip is not recommended for use with panoramic heads. Also make sure that the tripod mount of the grip is centered in the optical axis.
This is never a problem when a Arca Swiss compatible QR is used. The plate can slide along the clamp. In case of Fanotec plate, it has distance registration system to remember the right setting.
Nick
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Matthew Rogers
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Re: NN Ultimate M1-L wRD16 vs. 360Precision Adjuste Giga
Posted: 1 Mar 2011 at 15:54 GMT
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You can of course use the standard mounting plate on the Giga. The other option is to simply attach a quick release plate to the standard rubber faced camera mount. The only difference is you're not locked in to having to use the quick release which when not needed simply adds weight and bulk to your set-up.
Before we had the pin plate for the S5Pro I simply used the RRS L-Bracket as well.
The fact is you can tighten the thumbscrew on the Adjuste Giga in the same way you can with the QR plate on the base of the camera. So I can't see what benefit the QR plate gives ? It takes 3-4 seconds to mount the camera using the thumbscrew, I guess if 1 second or so is important in the grand scheme of shooting panos then the QR design might be a better solution.
When using the QR plate you still have the issue of making sure it's attached level to the camera, this is not the case with the pin plates. So you can go with a QR only solution or use a product that has benefits that outweigh a QR plate design.
I'm not saying you can't use the battery grip but personally I see no point. You really want to be using a remote cable so the vertical shutter release on the BG won't be used. You can also change the battery if needed without having to remove the D700 from the panohead. I mean, the single D700 battery easily lasts an entire day of shooting panos.
I have 5-6 battery grips sat on the shelf and apart from measuring the height I've not had any need to use them when shooting panoramas.
Matt
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Smooth
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Re: NN Ultimate M1-L wRD16 vs. 360Precision Adjuste Giga
Posted: 1 Mar 2011 at 16:19 GMT
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A camera specific "L" bracket or camera specific "plate" don't need to be leveled and really can't be fitted wrong. This Arca Swiss design mates perfectly with the NN quick release clamp that is purposely designed for the upper rail and locks everything level. It cannot pivot like a single mounting screw into the base of a camera body. It is as stable as any method I have seen.
Having a camera specific plate allows you to knock down and reposition onto or into another Acra Swiss clamp for different shooting on different rigs, tripods without fuss.
Using a battery grip or not is a choice. There is no reason not to use one other than weight. In fact in some cases weight is an advantage. You can carry twice the battery power. Batteries can be removed and replaced without having to take the camera from the panohead in most cases. You can use the "AA" battery cartridge option and AA batteries can be purchased just about anywhere. It correctly positions the shutter button and other controls for portrait shooting and when on a panohead all set up looks impressive and professional to the client.
If these advantages suit you then there is no reason not to use a battery grip. If they don't, don't use one. Telling people not to though is just expressing your preference.
Regards, Smooth
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Matthew Rogers
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Re: NN Ultimate M1-L wRD16 vs. 360Precision Adjuste Giga
Posted: 1 Mar 2011 at 16:37 GMT
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Nick Fan said:
NN Ultimate M1
Cons:
*7.5 deg upper rotator vs 5 deg, limiting lens to 200mm eq fl and below.
*No accurate settings available for cameras and lenses means you need to take 10 mins to find it out.
*Short vertical rail means add-on accessory is needed for full rotation with many lenses.
*Camera specific camera mounting plates are still under development means you may need to tolerate with a universal one.
Pros:
*Arca Swiss compatible system to work with large array of high end accessories such as ballheads, camera plates, lens plates, L-brackets, gimbal arms etc.
*Multifunctional rails to use as macro slides, lens plates etc.
*Fully modular design. Components work for future models and accessories means pay less in the future.
*Fully QR enabled design means setup and break down in minutes.
*compatible with Fanotec lens ring mounts and other lens rings for telephoto lenses.
*Single knob operation vs 3-plunger operation, much easier and intuitive.
*RD16 to support ultra-wide fisheyes to 275mm telephoto lenses.
*short vertical rail means enhanced stability for large telephoto lenses for Giga-pixel panos/ mosaics.
* Nadir Adapter coming soon will make nadir patching much easier. Nadir adapter increases the vertical headroom to allow full rotation for most lenses.
*Upgradable to support >400mm lenses.
*integrated rail stops to support multiple NPP on the fly.
*industry's leading customer support
Not much to say other than the Adjuste Giga is designed from the ground up to be a panoramic tripod head, it's not simply a product made-up from generic rails and plates. Every part/component of the Adjuste Giga has been optimised for its single specific use. This in the end creates a better, easier to use product.
Cons:
* User changeable detents, you're not locked into having to upgrade rotator bases if you need different detent stops.
* Each component is optimised for use as a panoramic tripod head.
* 5º locked in vertical stops
* Configurable vertical stops in either 5º, 10º or 15º increments simply by locking out plunger 2 and 3. Although it does have 3 plungers it's no different than using a single plunger set-up. You simply pull on the plunger and move the camera arm in the direction of the next plunger and it AUTOMATICALLY locks into the next slot. You do not have to operate two plungers at the same time.
* 2.5º horizontal detent stops. This can be decreased to 1.875º on request but not recommended,
* One custom pin plate covers 12 camera bodies and is user changeable in 30-60 seconds.
* Pin plate removed the need to level the camera on the head.
* Custom mounting plates for the 1DsMK2/MK3 and coming soon for the D3, D5000 and D7000.
* Fully compatible with the 14-24 and 24-70 without any additional components to add either size or weight to the set-up
* Twin bearing set-up in both the base and vertical arm for super smooth movement to minimise vibration and movement.
* Super smooth base rotation using large thrust bearings and radial bearing to isolate the panohead movement from the tripod. Again this reduces the chance of moving the tripod and also minimises vibrations.
* Accurate entrance pupil settings for almost 1,000 camera and lens combinations. These have been tested and verified.
* Full entrance pupil settings are retained when the head is disassembled for travel.
* Custom 4 track detents machined on request. Allows you to customise the detent system for your specific camera and lens set-ups. Two custom detents can cover over 95% of all camera and lens combinations using between 20-30% overlap.
* T2024 Alloy, twice the strength to weight ratio when compared to T6061 alloy. This gives you a much stronger product for the same weight and again minimises vibrations. The extra strength allows the panohead to operate at 100% of its functionality with all compatible camera and lenses. The T2024 alloy sidearm has the same stability as a much shorter T6061 rail.
*Fully mobile integrated live chat and online support allowing us to offer live chat support for up to 16 hours per day 6-7 days per week. Support is manned by company owners that know panoramic photography, not unpaid volunteers.
Cons
* Slightly more expensive but includes standard camera mount and pin registered plate for support of 12 different DSLRS. You can elect to swap either plate at no cost to the 1DsMK2 or MK3 plate. We also include any number of standard detent plates with the the Giga free if you have a need for them.
* Allen key required for product use.
Matt
360Precision.com
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