lorne
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Nikon D5000 Set-up
Posted: 10 Feb 2010 at 22:40 GMT
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As some of you may (or may not) be aware, that I had been using the one-shot system. It has its benefits of course, but the flaws take over anything worth while about the one-shot system.
I purchased a Nikon D5000, still have my Manfrotto tri-pod. I am wondering whats best for this camera as far as the lens & pano head. New to this set-up, of course, so i dont know what will fit on the tri-pod.
I will have to get some tutorials on stitching ( if anyone knows a link to share for a tutorial, i would be greatful! )
Software, I have the Pano2VR, which works well i think. Used it with the one-shot system. may as well stay with what i know?
other than that... what else? anything in any area would be good! 
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Re: Nikon D5000 Set-up
Posted: 11 Feb 2010 at 2:24 GMT
updated: 14 Mar 2011 at 16:13 GMT
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Going away from one-shot systems... well, you will need a panorama head:
Go for Nodal Ninja 3 MKII
As for the camera and what you might do there... I leave it to more knowledgeable people to advice you on that front.
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Smooth
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Re: Nikon D5000 Set-up
Posted: 11 Feb 2010 at 6:00 GMT
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Your choices for fisheye lenses are:
Nikkor f/2.8 10.5mm 6 shots at 60 degree click stops with -10 degrees tilt. 1 shot at +65 degrees (7 shots)
Tokina f/3.5 10-17mm Zoom 6 shots at 60 degree click stops with -10 degrees tilt (at 10mm setting). 1 shot at +65 degrees (7 shots)
Sigma f/3.5 8mm 4 shots at 90 degree click stops with +5 degrees tilt (4 shots)
*Samyang f/3.5 8mm 4 shots at 90 degree click stops with -10 degrees tilt. 1 shot at +65 degrees (5 shots) *Manual Lens
Sigma f/2.8 10mm 6 shots at 60 degree click stops with -10 degrees tilt. 1 shot at +65 degrees (7 shots)
Sigma f/2.8 4.5mm 3 shots at 120 degree click stops with +5 degrees tilt.(3 shots)
Sunex f/5.6 (fixed) 4.5mm 3 shots at 120 degree click stops with +5 degrees tilt.(3 shots)
There is also the Peleng 8mm.
That would be my order of preference also. Shooting sequence is what I class as preferred. Variations can apply. All of the above would also require a hand held or tilted tripod Nadir shot if you wish to remove the tripod.
I offer paid online "one on one" stitching tutorials if you want to get up to speed fast. If not, there is a lot of information here on the forums and no doubt other learning offerings throughout the web. People are generally willing to help if you are at least making some effort yourself.
Regards, Smooth 
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lorne
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Re: Nikon D5000 Set-up
Posted: 12 Feb 2010 at 4:39 GMT
updated: 12 Feb 2010 at 4:44 GMT
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I think, to start anyways, the Samyang 8mm would be a great stepping stone. It seems to be highly recommended, and the price sounds good too. Where can i find a good reputable seller?
As well, every one says the NN3 is the way to go, however, there are several NN3 kits to buy. which do i need? I have the Manfrotto 190 CL tri-pod.. if that makes a difference.
Thanks!!
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Smooth
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Re: Nikon D5000 Set-up
Posted: 12 Feb 2010 at 5:02 GMT
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lorne said: I think, to start anyways, the Samyang 8mm would be a great stepping stone. It seems to be highly recommended, and the price sounds good too. Where can i find a good reputable seller?
Ebay, pay via Paypal and your covered as far as insurance is concerned. I have purchased this way for years and pretty much without any problems. It is the cheapest way to get the products you desire.
lorne said: As well, every one says the NN3 is the way to go, however, there are several NN3 kits to buy. which do i need? I have the Manfrotto 190 CL tri-pod.. if that makes a difference.
It really doesn't mater, the entry level will do the job with this equipment. The higher the price gets the better the NN3, with added features like the RD series rotators. Buy the best you can afford. Same applies with anything in life. Just understand when you buy top of the range you are getting features you may not require "Yet"!
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Judy-A
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Re: Nikon D5000 Set-up
Posted: 13 Feb 2010 at 20:40 GMT
updated: 13 Feb 2010 at 20:41 GMT
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lorne said: As well, every one says the NN3 is the way to go, however, there are several NN3 kits to buy. which do i need?
I have the Nikon D5000, Nodal Ninja 3/RD8 pano head. It's a tight fit. If you think you'll ever want to use longer lenses for hi-res panos, then go for the NN5.
I'm having an issue with the plug of the Nikon corded remote hitting the rotator knob. See this thread on the Nodal Ninja forum for details.
nodalninja.com/forum/index.php/topic,1159.0.html
I posted a method to estimate whether a specific camera/lens combo would work with the NN3 in this thread.
www.panoguide.com/forums/qna/7382/
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DennisS
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Re: Nikon D5000 Set-up
Posted: 13 Feb 2010 at 22:02 GMT
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Another option is the Nodal Ninja R1 head. Tilted up 5 degrees, 4 shots around and you have full coverage. A hand held Nadir shot will cover the tripod. There will be no issues with clearance, as the R1 clamps onto the lens. I have the Sigma lens and the R1 pano head. Great combination. I see on NodalNinja.com they list a ring clamp for the Samyang lens.
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lorne
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Re: Nikon D5000 Set-up
Posted: 14 Feb 2010 at 19:50 GMT
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Thanks Judy for that info, very informing! Perhaps some time we can put our heads together for business in the future, since we are merely 6 hrs apart..
I only bought the D5000 specifically because I used it with the one-shot mirror. The flip down viewer makes life easier to use. I was reading that with the Samyang 8mm, "AE problems with lower models of Nikon". I wonder where the problems seizes to exist with Nikon. D90, D300, or..?
Can't say i'm gonna be a huge fan about the light flaring with the Samyang, gotta use photoshop to mask the flaring.. kinda takes the integrity out of using the fisheye lens when you gotta patch it up anyways. That was the big problem with the one shot.. Not to say that was the only problem 
Still not sure which software to use. PTGui seems to be more basic, where Panoweaver seems to do it all for you. Lack of experience, I can't accurately say anything more than that about them. Which, is why I ask my fellow peers WITH the experience!
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Re: Nikon D5000 Set-up
Posted: 14 Feb 2010 at 22:19 GMT
updated: 14 Mar 2011 at 16:13 GMT
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lorne said: Still not sure which software to use. PTGui seems to be more basic, where Panoweaver seems to do it all for you.
Using PTGui Pro, I can say that in over 90% of the time when I use it, it does everything automatically to perfection. I DO take a couple of bad control points out normally, and with difficult walls/ceilings/skies, I may have to put in 5 minutes of work to get things into my personal "perfect" category. But it does really do most of the works automatically, with no manual work.
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Smooth
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Re: Nikon D5000 Set-up
Posted: 15 Feb 2010 at 5:09 GMT
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Judy-A said: I have the Nikon D5000, Nodal Ninja 3/RD8 pano head. It's a tight fit. If you think you'll ever want to use longer lenses for hi-res panos, then go for the NN5.
I'm having an issue with the plug of the Nikon corded remote hitting the rotator knob. See this thread on the Nodal Ninja forum for details.
If this is an issue you need to overcome, then for sure the NN5 is the answer but there is no rotator knob on the NN3 RD-8 combo? Can you show an image here on this forum where your issue lies? The link you offer is of no use unless you are a NN forum member. Is it the corded remote that is touching the lower rail? This is not an issue with the much larger Nikon D300. But yes, the remote plug is in a different location to that of the D5000. Still, I have the D300s with Really Right Stuff "L" bracket fitted and still have a heap of clearance. Maybe a 90 degree plug is required for the remote? You could just use the self timer and forget the remote. Also, this would only be an issue should you need to tilt to -90 degrees and this is simply not required. -60 degrees is enough with the Samyang to capture the complete Zenith. In fact, it is a far better way to shoot, allowing you more chance to capture some part of the scene with overlapping objects for control point placement. Speaking of remotes, you would be far better off with a wireless remote over the corded version. Wireless will allow you to remove your shadow as well as the cords. You can even leave the room when mirrors are involved. They are cheap enough also, look to the Phottix brand which we have been using for years without issue. cgi.ebay.com.au/Phottix-Plato-Wireless-Remote-N10...
lorne said: I was reading that with the Samyang 8mm, "AE problems with lower models of Nikon". I wonder where the problems seizes to exist with Nikon. D90, D300, or..?
What is the AE problem you speak of? The Samyang is a 100% totally manual lens where you have to set the focus and aperture. There is no communication between the lens and the camera.
lorne said: Can't say i'm gonna be a huge fan about the light flaring with the Samyang, gotta use photoshop to mask the flaring.. kinda takes the integrity out of using the fisheye lens when you gotta patch it up anyways. That was the big problem with the one shot.. Not to say that was the only problem
Flaring is not much of an issue with the Samyang. Again where are you getting this information from? Are you looking at worst case scenario images?
lorne said: Still not sure which software to use. PTGui seems to be more basic, where Panoweaver seems to do it all for you. Lack of experience, I can't accurately say anything more than that about them. Which, is why I ask my fellow peers WITH the experience!
Both will stitch your images. It comes down to what you want as far as the interface is concerned. PTGui is far more powerful.
Regards, Smooth
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lorne
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Re: Nikon D5000 Set-up
Posted: 15 Feb 2010 at 19:27 GMT
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Flaring is shown on the E-bay page where i bought the lens from. the image where its looking up in the 'museum?', flaring is occuring with the windows. However, with the batch imaging, overlaying images will fix it all! Just so its understood, i'm new to the fisheye, coming from the ill product of the one-shots which have all sorts of unfavourable issues..
The AE problem was something that was said in the forum that Judy-A was linking to.. I wont know of what of any problems exist, until I get the lens.. Which should be in 6-13 business days!
more questions will surely come!!
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Judy-A
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Re: Nikon D5000 Set-up
Posted: 15 Feb 2010 at 21:01 GMT
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Here's a photo of my problem with my NN3 MKII setup. I bought a corded remote, the Nikon MC-DC2 for my Nikon D5000. This remote has a rather long plug that sticks straight out of the side opposite the grip.
Using a Sigma 10-20mm DC HSM lens, when the camera is being rotated into zenith-shooting position, the remote's plug hits the knob that fastens the lower rail to the rotator.
The plug has a bit of flexibility, so if I'm very careful I can ease the plug past the knob. However, I'm afraid that if the camera slips while being rotated I may break the plug or the camera's remote receptacle.
The knob supplied is about 12 mm high. Replacing the knob with a flat-headed M6 screw has reduced the problem significantly.
Smooth, I agree that I'll have to look into another type of remote. The ML-L3 wireless remote which I also own, doesn't support continuous shooting. For very high contrast scenes , I want to be able to shoot bracketed shots and use HDR processing. Continuous shooting reduces movement of clouds, etc., between shots.
I believe that so far, only the Nikon D90 uses the same corded remote interface as the D5000, which limits choices. I read on another forum that a D90 user broke his camera's remote receptacle by accidentally bending the plug. This is a photo of the connectors on the plug on the Nikon MC-DC2.
I've just received the Samyang 8mm fisheye which doesn't work at all with the corded remote. Clearance is not a problem with that lens.
I’ll be very pressed for time in the coming week, so unfortunately won’t have time to play with my new lens.
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Smooth
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Re: Nikon D5000 Set-up
Posted: 16 Feb 2010 at 5:22 GMT
updated: 16 Feb 2010 at 5:25 GMT
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Judy-A said: The knob supplied is about 12 mm high. Replacing the knob with a flat-headed M6 screw has reduced the problem significantly.
OK, so Nick has changed yet again what is supplied with the NN3 kit. This "Knob" you show was never part of the equation previously. Only time we would see these style was with the non RD series rotators and what was "normal" was the flat head Allan screw which as you have found out gives much more clearance.
Judy-A said: Smooth, I agree that I'll have to look into another type of remote. The ML-L3 wireless remote which I also own, doesn't support continuous shooting. For very high contrast scenes , I want to be able to shoot bracketed shots and use HDR processing. Continuous shooting reduces movement of clouds, etc., between shots.
As I mentioned the Phottix wireless remote will suit you far better. The Cleon II version has even more options than the regular version. Edit: I see I pointed to the "Plato" version which is an even newer release!.
Judy-A said: I've just received the Samyang 8mm fisheye which doesn't work at all with the corded remote. Clearance is not a problem with that lens.
The comment doesn't make sense? Of course it will work, it is just a shutter release. Even with bracket shooting you are only making shots of different shutter speeds. This assumes you are shooting correctly, no auto focus and the camera in full (M) manual mode.
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lorne
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Re: Nikon D5000 Set-up
Posted: 17 Feb 2010 at 2:52 GMT
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gonna go with the NN3 complete package. seems to have all that i need. The 'camera list' option does not work on the website. I'm assuming, other than the remote issue that Judy has mentioned, the NN3 work perfectly with the Nikon D5000..
Question is, is how do i get a coupon code?! perhaps a discount or something?
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Smooth
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Re: Nikon D5000 Set-up
Posted: 17 Feb 2010 at 4:06 GMT
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lorne said: Question is, is how do i get a coupon code?! perhaps a discount or something?
Used to be a case of just typing in the word panoguide
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