Grinch
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Quad pod/ self standing monopod
Posted: 2 Jul 2009 at 12:46 GMT
updated: 2 Jul 2009 at 12:47 GMT
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Hi everybody,
I want to make all my spherical panoramas with my monopod (a manfrotto 682). He has three legs. Perfect. But I want a system like the system of Jook Leung's monopod, with a little 'quad pod', four legs. Like this: Where I can buy it?
Thanks for you help
Best regards.
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iam360Texas
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Re: Quad pod/ self standing monopod
Posted: 2 Jul 2009 at 14:27 GMT
updated: 2 Jul 2009 at 14:29 GMT
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Appears to be a monopod with a very small bottom base.
The green level on the bottom serves no useful purpose. Level should be located near the camera head.
I would think the base is too small to prevent the camera from falling over in a light wind. No wind, indoors the setup might be useful.
Also there is no rotator. Possibly making small tick marks on the top round attachment at 90° would help.
Contact Jook Leung I am sure he would know.
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Hans Nyberg
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Re: Quad pod/ self standing monopod
Posted: 2 Jul 2009 at 15:11 GMT
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The setup Jook uses is an old tabletop tripod at the bottom which does not exist any more.
On top of that is the Manfrotto 300N rotator and then he has a Monopod which I unfortunately do not remember.
I use a similar setup but I have a more stable small tripod at the bottom.
You can see it here, which was the first time I used it and I believe that was what Jook got inspiration from.
www.vrmag.org/vartist/spotlight/SHOOTING_PANOS_FR...
Also here.
www.panoramas.dk/panorama/nadir/
Hans
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Panoramix NO
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Re: Quad pod/ self standing monopod
Posted: 2 Jul 2009 at 15:22 GMT
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what is the name of part you use to connect monopod to 300N rotator?
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Hans Nyberg
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Re: Quad pod/ self standing monopod
Posted: 2 Jul 2009 at 15:42 GMT
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Noname.
Something old from a Hedler lamp I believe.
But there are other ways of doing it.
I know it can be done by grounding down the original small tripod on this monopod. I believe it was Nikos who did it.
Yep, here it is www.panoguide.com/forums/qna/5276/?page=3#msg33722
And Willy Kaemena got a stud made by a friend who had the tools for it.
I am not sure but I believe the monopod Jook use actually has the correct tripod thread also at the small end.
Hans
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Ken Warner
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Re: Quad pod/ self standing monopod
Posted: 2 Jul 2009 at 17:49 GMT
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I've always thought that putting legs on a mono-pod was silly. I use a monopod a lot and the reason I use it is so I don't have tripod legs to deal with.
Well, I guess that's just me...
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Hans Nyberg
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Re: Quad pod/ self standing monopod
Posted: 2 Jul 2009 at 18:42 GMT
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What you get is a small footprint which is around 40 cm in diameter at smallest.
The legs are hidden below the rotator.
You still get perfect fast stitching without parallax. And you can go from 1.30 to 3 meters height in a couple of seconds.
I do bracketed exposure at that height in churches with 1-2 second exposures sometimes.
And it all goes into a small shoulder bag.
Hans
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Grinch
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Re: Quad pod/ self standing monopod
Posted: 2 Jul 2009 at 21:03 GMT
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Thank you for your response Hans. I knew your tripod.
Anyone who is interested in the panoramic picture and you don't
know and don't know panorama.dk must immediately
turn on his computer 
I want modify my monopod because I want a selfstanding monopod for make panoreportage easily and quickly, night and day. That's why a small base appears to me perfect.
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alexson
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Ken Warner
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Re: Quad pod/ self standing monopod
Posted: 3 Jul 2009 at 12:14 GMT
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Hans Nyberg said: What you get is a small footprint which is around 40 cm in diameter at smallest.
The legs are hidden below the rotator.
You still get perfect fast stitching without parallax. And you can go from 1.30 to 3 meters height in a couple of seconds.
I do bracketed exposure at that height in churches with 1-2 second exposures sometimes.
And it all goes into a small shoulder bag.
Hans
Your rig sounds like a good rig. But couldn't you do the same thing with a regular tripod with the legs pinched together and a long center column?
And if it has legs -- is it still a monopod?
Maybe there is a product that would be useful to panographers. A tripod with stable legs locked at a steep angle so as to be hidden under the rotator. And with special segmented center columns that can be connected together for higher than normal viewpoints?
Seems like there is a category of tripods that are missing.
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DorinDXN
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Re: Quad pod/ self standing monopod
Posted: 3 Jul 2009 at 13:14 GMT
updated: 3 Jul 2009 at 13:22 GMT
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Hi Ken, the monopod is useful and sometimes is the only (if) allowed,
the only whish then one had is if it, somehow, stands sable even if not dare to let it because you feel that in the next second will fall, but if it has only a small base i.e. if the vertical from the mass center pick inside that base it will stand up, enough to be sure that the same NPP is preserved, provided was previously set and a panoramic (bracket/head/lens ring) is used.
I guess there are more ways to attach that base.
BTW even if it has not there is a position in which you feel that is almost stands that is a sign that the vertical from mass center falls into the small area so is the sign you were in that position, you feel that with your hand.
You will have a small parallax but constant, though one can add some weight under the monopod head in such way that that point to be the NPP itself, if the extra weight is not a problem at carring.
Dorin
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fatchai
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Re: Quad pod/ self standing monopod
Posted: 3 Jul 2009 at 13:49 GMT
updated: 3 Jul 2009 at 13:50 GMT
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hi:
jook described his monopod setup in the quicktime digest before and fortunely enough i still have that email in my inbox. here is the copy and paste from his reply:  i think Hans setup is also very nice too. i would love to know what are combinations also.
Here is the parts list from bottom to top:
JustRite brackets (the four legged thing)
JRB 300 small light stand $20.
www.justritebracket.com/
Acratech Leveling Base $150
acratech.net/miva/merchant.mv?
Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=AOS&Category_Code=LB
Bogen / Manfrotto 625 (3296) RC0 Hexagonal Quick Release Set
www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?
O=WishList.jsp&A=details&Q=&sku=269979&is=REG
Bogen 300N rotator
Velbon Neo Pod 6 - I cut the tip off and added a 3/8 thread
www.adorama.com/VNNEOPOD6.html
Kirk Photo quick release clamps and rails
kirkphoto.com/platforms.html
Really Right Stuff camera body plates
reallyrightstuff.com
All this adds weight on the bottom but makes it more stable with a
top heavy camera. The Acratech leveling base is nice for none level
surfaces. The quick releases make it faster to reconfigure.
One more pano from the Great Wall:
360vr.com/China/Beijing/JuYongGuan_GreatWall_22_s...
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Grinch
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Re: Quad pod/ self standing monopod
Posted: 3 Jul 2009 at 14:24 GMT
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Hi fatchai,
Your great. Thanks a lot for your post. I study it. Thanks
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Ken Warner
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Re: Quad pod/ self standing monopod
Posted: 3 Jul 2009 at 19:14 GMT
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DorinDXN said: Hi Ken, the monopod is useful and sometimes is the only (if) allowed,
the only whish then one had is if it, somehow, stands stable Dorin
Hi Dorin, I've just never felt the problems that are described by you and others about the concerns for stability. When I use my monopod, it becomes more of a dance with a partner. It becomes a part of me. And using a small bubble level, I never have much problem with stitching. I use an SPH2s on my monopod and as long as my camera/lens is properly adjusted to the nodal point, parallax error is not much greater than with a tripod.
Now if the wind is blowing, it does push me around and it is harder to keep the monopod vertical and I shoot outside mostly. But in that case I think that legs would hinder more than help.
And I've thought about adding weight at the bottom. That's a good idea except then there is more weight to carry around and I frequently walk a mile or two to get to where I'm shooting so the less weight the better.
However, I've never positioned my camera higher than I can reach comfortably. I keep one hand on the monopod and the other hand on the camera to release the shutter.
I can get very stable that way. I even release the shutter between heartbeats
A 3 meter monopod is something I have no experience with. A monopod that long may indeed need more stability on the bottom.
But back to my question -- if a monopod has legs -- is it still a monopod 
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DorinDXN
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Re: Quad pod/ self standing monopod
Posted: 3 Jul 2009 at 20:41 GMT
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Hi Ken, those aren't problems, just helps to keep the NPP precisely, useful when there are close objects to the camera, and the weight is on the top not bottom, then is not need the spirit level at all, one feels whhen the setup is in position, entire gear act then like a spirit level.
Dorin
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