DorinDXN
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How to make panos with 18-55 kit lens - free course
Posted: 4 Apr 2008 at 19:34 GMT
updated: 4 Apr 2008 at 19:58 GMT
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Hi!
Anyone who want to learn to make panos with 18-55 kit lens please reply here.
Along with a name, post info about camera, tripod (exact model please) panohead or bracket if there is one, his/her level/experience in using camera in manual mode,
links to previous tries or performance if apply.
I'll try to guide each through next steps.
Dorin
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theknight
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Re: How to make panos with 18-55 kit lens - free course
Posted: 4 Apr 2008 at 20:16 GMT
updated: 4 Apr 2008 at 20:17 GMT
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Hi Dorin,
Thank you ever so much for this!!!!!
Checked your work out from the other thread, that is exactly what I am trying to achieve.
Ok here are my specs:
Camera:
Canon E0S SLR digital
Lens: EFS 18-55mm Zoom lens
Skill in manual mode: beginner.
Unfortunantly I don't have a tripod or panohead at the moment.
Will upload a previous attempt soon (can't seem to find the file))
Thanks
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DorinDXN
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Re: How to make panos with 18-55 kit lens - free course
Posted: 5 Apr 2008 at 10:12 GMT
updated: 5 Apr 2008 at 10:22 GMT
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Hi!
We have a first student 
I will call you theknight if is ok with you, what shall be the complete name of your camera?
the size and weight is important.
Until you find some previous attempt please confirm if you can buy a Giottos VT-809 tripod - must be around $50-$60 or so
take a look at it
it is a 3-way pan head tripod which can rotate(pan) his head and have gradation at every 15 degrees if you cannot find this exact type then post here which one you can find.
Pay attention to have a rotative head and to have gradation at every 15 or 30 degrees - you can make the gradation yourself but is better if it has from manufacture.
If isn't Giottos VT-809, post it first and wait for green light from here to buy.
I or someone else will guide you and we'll confirm if another tripod is suitable.
do you have any flash or macro bracket?
Also tell us, for info, how the price for these panoramic heads sounds to you?
Nodal Ninja 3 www.nodalninja.com/order_nodal_ninja.html (highly recommended see the testimonials www.nodalninja.com/testimonials.html )
or
Panosaurus gregwired.com/pano/Pano.htm
Dorin
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theknight
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Re: How to make panos with 18-55 kit lens - free course
Posted: 5 Apr 2008 at 20:16 GMT
updated: 5 Apr 2008 at 20:16 GMT
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Hi Dorin,
Yep I promise to buy the equipment. I will let you know when it arrives. Tried hand-held came out badly. Will keep you posted.
Btw what is flash or macro bracket?
Thank you Dorin.
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Ginger Snapper
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Re: How to make panos with 18-55 kit lens - free course
Posted: 10 Apr 2008 at 11:48 GMT
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Hi Dorin,
I've had my pano kit for a few months now and have tried to make some panos - with limited success!  The ones I have done indoors aren't too bad, but outdoors I have struggled because it seems to me that the lens view isn't wide enough to generate control points in a sky that doesn't have enough features. Your help would be massively useful! Unfortunately I don't have any links to what I've done so far.
The kit I have is:
Canon 350D DSLR;
Standard 18-55mm kit lens;
Manfrotto 055XPROB tripod with 488RC2 ball head;
Panosaurus pano head.
My experience with using the camera in manual mode is quite good.
I look forward to your help!
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klaus mayer
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control points in sky
Posted: 11 Apr 2008 at 3:33 GMT
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I had the same problem and it frustrated me. I solve it these days with one of these methods:
1) Take the pano from a point where there is something above me or at least something high close by (like a tree or a building, this often helps with unwanted tripod shadows as well)
2) Use PTGui and move the sky images manually to the right position in the preview window.
3) Adjust the image parameters manually in Hugin or PTGui which is easier now that I bought a pano head and know the angles of the shots.
4) Try to keep the upper row of images low enough to get sufficient control points and only have a few shots of the sky at a steeper angle.
good luck
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DorinDXN
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Re: control points in sky
Posted: 11 Apr 2008 at 8:45 GMT
updated: 11 Apr 2008 at 9:05 GMT
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Ginger Snapper said: I've had my pano kit for a few months now and have tried to make some panos - with limited success!
The ones I have done indoors aren't too bad, but outdoors I have struggled because it seems to me that the
lens view isn't wide enough to generate control points in a sky that doesn't have enough features. Your help
would be massively useful! Unfortunately I don't have any links to what I've done so far.
The kit I have is:
Canon 350D DSLR;
Standard 18-55mm kit lens;
Manfrotto 055XPROB tripod with 488RC2 ball head;
Panosaurus pano head.
My experience with using the camera in manual mode is quite good.
I look forward to your help!
Yes, outdoor there is problem with the lack of details on sky so we gonna need to bring some details of our own.
With 18-55 on 350D at 18 you can take 10 photos to cover the +45° upper row to rotate the pano head with 36° could be difficult so we take 12 photos one at every 30°.
A remote for Canon 350D is a must so you need to manage to buy/make one. Ask for help here if you need for more info
To bring the features on upper part on the sky we also need an extra device let's call it FD.
Maybe someone is kind enough to help me with better English of I try to describe here.
If the photos are Photo1-Photo12 at +45° and the photo straight up (+90°) will be Photo13
this will be the Photo1
you don't touch the camera neither the tripod and put the FD in such way that the vertical column of it to be in in camera view
this will be then the situation to take Photo1b, Photo2, Photo3,.. Photo12 (don't touch the FD between the shoots )
then rotate the pano head for the zenith photo (+90°) Photo13b again don't touch the FD
then again without touching the camera remove the FD and take again a zenith photo Photo13
for control point generation (you'll need to learn to put them manually) you will use the photos with b variant mean Photo1b,Photo2,..Photo12,Photo13b
but at stitching you will replace the Photo1b with Photo1, and Photo13B with Photo13 you will need to learn some cropping and using of alpha channel to make the big ring of FD invisible.
Tell us about the software you know to use to guide you more.
about making the FD, unless there are such thing to buy, (anyone can give use some hint) I'll try to make one obviously the upper big ring must have a non repetitive pattern on it and the entire ring to be included in camera view when is pointed up and far enough to see the details (it will be out of focus) the CP will be assigned on the background not on ring if is possible the pattern on ring will be used for guidance but if your NPP is correctly set you can put the CP on ring.
Dorin
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canadian
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Re: How to make panos with 18-55 kit lens - free course
Posted: 11 Apr 2008 at 14:42 GMT
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I've just completed my first Panorama with the following:
* Amvona tripod with ball head
* Nodal Ninja v1
* Nikon D50
* Nikkor AF-S DX 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6G ED
Experience with using manual controls of the camera is beginner.
Here is the result of my first try:
www.panoguide.com/forums/qna/4687/
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DorinDXN
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Re: How to make panos with 18-55 kit lens - free course
Posted: 11 Apr 2008 at 17:57 GMT
updated: 11 Apr 2008 at 18:01 GMT
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Hi canadian, you done that pretty well now for the best success/trial ratio you need to change for a while your testing environment.
Now please go outside and choose a place where everywhere you look to have some details, avoid plain sky and featureless walls lets have a tree near to you, not too near but with some branches above and take this time three rows of photos
one row of 12 photos with camera at 0° tilt : one photo at every 30° of yaw
one row of 12 photos with camera at +45° tilt : one photo at every 30° of yaw
one row of 12 photos with camera at -45° tilt : one photo at every 30° of yaw
then you take another photo for zenith +90° (straight up) and another photo of nadir -90° (straight down)
at the end you will have 38 photos
Do you have remote for your camera?
Dorin
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canadian
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Re: How to make panos with 18-55 kit lens - free course
Posted: 11 Apr 2008 at 19:16 GMT
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No remote as of yet, but I'm planning on buying a generic one from eBay. I'll should be able to get some pictures this weekend for an outdoor panorama. I'll keep you posted.
Thanks for your help.
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klaus mayer
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Re: How to make panos with 18-55 kit lens - free course
Posted: 13 Apr 2008 at 23:38 GMT
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Hi Dorin
I am following your thread because I also use a 18-55mm and still benefit from your experience.
What do you think about taking only 2 rows of photos plus zenith and nadir:
- one row of 12 photos at +30° tilt at 30° yaw increments
- one row of 12 photos at -30° tilt at 30° yaw increments
I do not have a full frame camera, hence my overlap would be only about 10° and I have not tried this yet, but I would like to read your thoughts before wasting a few hours trying to save 12 photos.
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Philip Warner
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Re: How to make panos with 18-55 kit lens - free course
Posted: 14 Apr 2008 at 6:22 GMT
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klaus mayer said: 2) Use PTGui and move the sky images manually to the right position in the preview window.
Klaus...thanks for this tip! I'm new at stitching panos and didn't know I could do that in PTGui. Now my cloudless sky looks great and it took a few seconds to fix the hole in the sky.
Phil
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Ginger Snapper
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Re: control points in sky
Posted: 14 Apr 2008 at 10:29 GMT
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Hi Dorin
I've read the other posts on the thread and they all seem to make sense. I do have a remote release for the camera and have a location in mind that does have some trees above and I hope to be able to go there in the next few days. When I have the photos I will post again.
Until now I have been shooting this way:-
First row at pitch of 60°, 20° yaw;
Second row at 20° pitch, 20° yaw;
Third row -20° pitch, 20° yaw and
Final row at -60° pitch, 20° yaw.
This gives 72 shots in total, plus nadir.
This is a labour intensive method but does remove the need for a zenith shot - this is covered by the first row - and the nadir is easier to do because only a small hole is left. But I realise there is a better/easier way to do it, hence joining the free course!! 
I will use your method and see how I get on.
Thanks again everyone!
Ginge
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canadian
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Re: How to make panos with 18-55 kit lens - free course
Posted: 21 Apr 2008 at 17:47 GMT
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Here is my latest with the 18-55 lens. I did not shoot an accurate Zenith or Nadir since my pano head is too small for my camera. I could have probably done it free hand, but that will be next time.
Small version:
Large version:
tinyurl.com/5x6gar
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michael przewrocki
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FD ??
Posted: 23 Apr 2008 at 1:51 GMT
updated: 23 Apr 2008 at 2:05 GMT
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what is FD? i am just starting to use nikon coolpix p50(28-102-2.8-5.6 min,) shooting indoor pans in a narrow, my working place 6x4m. first results are fantastic using 64 asa. using center column at lower and upper position. checked nodalpoint first. manfrotto triaut 058(for large camera-very heavy) manfrotto leveller(old). 2d-head from bolex. its a system for using roundshot-camera. temporarily using it for compact coolpix p50. camera attached to saunders stroboframe vertaflip =small parallelogram for quick switching from horizontal to vertical). there is a bigger one for up to 6x9-cameras(mamyia press universal).. p50 is outstanding if you can live with non-printed manual(nikon will resend one.)
due to lack of time i can only observe the actual lession.
yes i am now in love with digital. but for certain high level posterprints and under certain difficult light film could beat digital. salgado and gurksy are using film P645 and bigger(gursky). gursky using also digital now. gurskys outstanding poster-quality can never ever be reached by digital at the moment. andreas gursky is worlds most expensive photographer, or his photos. i have seen his latest exhibition in basel-switzerland here in 2008.
i am also in the final stage of first using lookaround-fully mechanic manual driven wooden 360 cam, using 18mm zeiss on 35mm unperforated film = equival.to 12mm used horizontally, still +-4mm shift. isnt it more than 100degr.?unfortunately the camera must be built by ourselves using instruction book by the inventor. it can shoot quick-even quicker than any other serial rotapancam but preparation needs training.
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