Smooth
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Samyang 7.5mm Fisheye - New Nodal Ninja Lens Ring
Posted: 23 Oct 2011 at 14:41 GMT
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(Shaved) Samyang Micro 4/3rds 7.5mm Fisheye fitted with New Nodal Ninja Lens Ring attached to my Sony NEX 5.
Very nice! Great fit and perfect on the Nodal Ninja R1 Ultimate Panohead.
Regards, Smooth 
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thomash2
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thomash2
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Re: Samyang 7.5mm Fisheye - New Nodal Ninja Lens Ring
Posted: 10 Dec 2011 at 11:03 GMT
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Smooth
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Re: Samyang 7.5mm Fisheye - New Nodal Ninja Lens Ring
Posted: 10 Dec 2011 at 12:08 GMT
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Yeah, that would be even in the correct order. From top of the range to bottom.
1) Nodal Ninja R1 Ultimate CNC aluminum highly engineered, fully adjustable and interchangeable.
2) (Not Shown) Nodal Ninja R10 CNC aluminum highly engineered, non tilt adjustable, interchangeable and (NPP) adjustable lens rings.
3) Precision360 Atome CNC aluminum highly engineered non adjustable lens specific.
4) Nomad printed plastic non adjustable.
They are what they are.
For a size comparison it would have been a fairer photograph if they all contained and displayed the same lens.
Anyway, good to have options.
Regards, Smooth
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DemonDuck
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Re: Samyang 7.5mm Fisheye - New Nodal Ninja Lens Ring
Posted: 10 Dec 2011 at 12:41 GMT
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Smooth said: Yeah, that would be even in the correct order. From top of the range to bottom.
...and which is the most egregious violator of K.I.S.S......
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Nick Fan
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Re: Samyang 7.5mm Fisheye - New Nodal Ninja Lens Ring
Posted: 10 Dec 2011 at 13:07 GMT
updated: 10 Dec 2011 at 13:09 GMT
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thomash2 said:
Is the R1 image a real one or just a photoshopped one?
The rotator is mounted in the wrong way.
Strictly speaking, the Normad head does not have a functional rotator. So you are comparing apple to orange.
For monopoad use, just lens ring + a QR clamp is enough.
Nick
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Smooth
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Re: Samyang 7.5mm Fisheye - New Nodal Ninja Lens Ring
Posted: 10 Dec 2011 at 13:31 GMT
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DemonDuck said: ...and which is the most egregious violator of K.I.S.S......
Keeping it super simple leaves you devoid of options.
Of course as Nick has pointed out and Dennis has shown in multiple other threads you can simply mount a lens ring on top of a monopod or pole. You can't make it any simpler than that!
Or you can let your low end plastic melt or warp in the sun.
Regards, Smooth
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DennisS
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Re: Samyang 7.5mm Fisheye - New Nodal Ninja Lens Ring
Posted: 11 Dec 2011 at 3:16 GMT
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Although I applaud Thomas creating and marketing a much cheaper alternative, his pano head cannot be compared to the NN or the 360Precision. It is like comparing the Panosaurus (mostly all plastic) to the NN or 360 line. The materials, construction and price point are way too different. There is definitely a market for a mostly plastic pano head. Until people purchase Thomas's pano head and provide feedback, we will not know whether or not it is a winner or stinker.
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thomash2
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Re: Samyang 7.5mm Fisheye - New Nodal Ninja Lens Ring
Posted: 11 Dec 2011 at 3:25 GMT
updated: 11 Dec 2011 at 3:33 GMT
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It's actually pretty strong. I was unable to break it with my hands using the first prototype which had a thinner center column as the current version.
Melting temperature is 172-180C. Softening temperature is 163C.
www.shapeways.com/topics/udesign/materials/white_...
I've accidentally dropped it hiking on some rocks without any effects.
The printing is extremely accurate, I've taken measurements between 6 prints, and the variation I've gotten was 0.05 to 0.1mm from the 3D model.
The rotator works great.
The original photo given to me showed the NN much taller, supposedly it had a quick release attachment between the bracket and rotator, so I removed it in the photo to show it at a more realistic comparison.
I've been told that there will be two reviews coming soon, one in French, and another in Spanish. Excitedly waiting for the feedback.
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Nick Fan
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Re: Samyang 7.5mm Fisheye - New Nodal Ninja Lens Ring
Posted: 11 Dec 2011 at 5:15 GMT
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Just to add an important point.
There is a reason why R1/10 is so tall. It is because a regular tripod has significant footprint that can't be reduced by a smaller rotator (no matter how smaller is the rotator). The only way is to raise the lens higher. So R1/10 has smaller footprint compared to the other competitors.
Besides, lens ring for R1/10 can be detached quickly, so the transport size is very small. R1/10 can stay on the tripod/ monopod. Lens stays safely in camera bag.
Nick
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DennisS
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Re: Samyang 7.5mm Fisheye - New Nodal Ninja Lens Ring
Posted: 11 Dec 2011 at 5:26 GMT
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Nick,
I hope you do not feel like you have to defend your design. Those of us who have used it can vouch for all the brilliant design points.
I was able to drop the height for monopod use. For tripod use, you need the hieght in order to minimize the tripod foot print, just as you have done.
Personally I prefer metal over plastic. If I did not make my own lens ring, I would have ordered yours a long time ago.
Dennis
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thomash2
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Re: Samyang 7.5mm Fisheye - New Nodal Ninja Lens Ring
Posted: 11 Dec 2011 at 5:51 GMT
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I understand the benefits of a taller panohead, smaller footprint, and metal is definitely stronger than plastic. I wanted a NN but couldn't afford one, so I decided to make my own.
The purpose of the photo comparing the panoheads is to see the difference in size. The main reason for using a NEX and Samyang is for portability. The Nomad is meant to follow through on that concept and I've reduced the dimensions so that the combined volume of the lens, camera, and panohead fits into a small bag without having to detach any of the parts.
The rotator allows it to be used on a tripod, and although it doesn't operate like the other panoheads, it's still precise and just as easy to use.
Everyone has different needs. The Nomad was made for those who want portability. Traveling continuously for 4 years with a backpack and a bicycle, I'm constantly changing my gear for something more compact. Large gear is useless because I don't have the space or spare weight to carry it with me.
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DemonDuck
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Re: Samyang 7.5mm Fisheye - New Nodal Ninja Lens Ring
Posted: 11 Dec 2011 at 13:34 GMT
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thomash2 said: Everyone has different needs. The Nomad was made for those who want portability. Traveling continuously for 4 years with a backpack and a bicycle, I'm constantly changing my gear for something more compact. Large gear is useless because I don't have the space or spare weight to carry it with me.
The need for small, light and simple seems a difficult concept for some to grasp. I understand it from firsthand experience like you. You are making a good thing that others seem unable or unwilling to make.
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DemonDuck
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Re: Samyang 7.5mm Fisheye - New Nodal Ninja Lens Ring
Posted: 11 Dec 2011 at 13:35 GMT
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DennisS said: I was able to drop the height for monopod use. For tripod use, you need the hieght in order to minimize the tripod foot print, just as you have done.
Dennis
That's called a center column.
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DemonDuck
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Re: Samyang 7.5mm Fisheye - New Nodal Ninja Lens Ring
Posted: 11 Dec 2011 at 13:48 GMT
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thomash2 said: The rotator allows it to be used on a tripod, and although it doesn't operate like the other panoheads, it's still precise and just as easy to use.
Unless you are on a job where you have to produce massive numbers of panos and use a software template for stitching, you don't have to be precise. For one off panos in the field, you can practically stand on one leg and juggle while doing a pano. In those situations, you don't even need click stops.
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