Shantic
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Autopano Crashing on 971 image pano
Posted: 7 Jun 2010 at 19:40 GMT
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I tried registering on the autopano forum but the CAPCHA is a PAIN in the A** I honestly tried about 20 times before giving up.
anyways... I have a panorama (or so I hope) of 971 images, at 300mm using Nodal Ninja RD16 and I downloaded autopano giga trial to see if it would be a good way to stitch them, no matter what settings I try I have tried on 2 different computers one 32bits and one 64bits on both autopano crashes while finding control points... any idea why this might be happening?
I also tried ptgui and it just produced a terrible mess on the Pano after a LOOOOOOOOONNNGGG time :P.
or is there another program that can help me stitch this pano? i would rather try something automated since finding control points in 971 images does not sound like fun :P
Thanks!
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Bradford Bohonus
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Re: Autopano Crashing on 971 image pano
Posted: 7 Jun 2010 at 20:32 GMT
updated: 7 Jun 2010 at 20:35 GMT
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Autopano is fraught with bugs and crashes. More so than many other release programs I can recall.
If you are shooting these pictures in an organized fashion with your pano head, I would suggest trying the "Gigapan" import to bring in your images in column/row format. This will give Autopano a better starting point for arranging the images and getting control points without having to wade through everything from scratch. Also set the option "force every image" into the panorama. Then proceed from there.
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mediavets
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Re: Autopano Crashing on 971 image pano
Posted: 7 Jun 2010 at 21:15 GMT
updated: 7 Jun 2010 at 21:23 GMT
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Shantic said: anyways... I have a panorama (or so I hope) of 971 images, at 300mm using Nodal Ninja RD16 and I downloaded autopano giga trial to see if it would be a good way to stitch them, no matter what settings I try I have tried on 2 different computers one 32bits and one 64bits on both autopano crashes while finding control points... any idea why this might be happening?
I think you've no chance of handling a pano with this many images on a 32-bit OS with APG.
So what 64-bit OS do you have available and with how much RAM and fast disk?
I agree that if you can rename your images to match one of the supported Gigapan shooting patterns then you may have more success using the Gigapan Import wizard in APG.
If the images are named to match a Gigapan supported shooting pattern then you could also try using the Gigapan stitching program.
Andrew
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mediavets
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Re: Autopano Crashing on 971 image pano
Posted: 7 Jun 2010 at 21:21 GMT
updated: 7 Jun 2010 at 21:24 GMT
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Bradford Bohonus said: Autopano is fraught with bugs and crashes. More so than many other release programs I can recall.
That's a very sweeping generalisation and it certainly doesn't reflect my experience nor that of many others.
If you are shooting these pictures in an organized fashion with your pano head, I would suggest trying the "Gigapan" import to bring in your images in column/row format. This will give Autopano a better starting point for arranging the images and getting control points without having to wade through everything from scratch.
I agree.
Also set the option "force every image" into the panorama. Then proceed from there.
I don't agree. If APP/APG cannot automatically place control points then such inmages will merely be 'dumped' in 'heap' at the foot of the pano if you merely force all images into the pano. That could be useful with panos comprising relatively few images because you may be able to manually place such images, but in a pano comprising 971 images it's not going to be helpful, IMO.
Andrew
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Ranjan Pano
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Re: Autopano Crashing on 971 image pano
Posted: 8 Jun 2010 at 1:54 GMT
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Shantic said: I also tried ptgui and it just produced a terrible mess on the Pano after a LOOOOOOOOONNNGGG time
This may indicate that the lens parameters are wrongly read by ptgui which you may have to correct manually, or the images have a similar pattern thus ptgui gets confused & will link non related images & you have to delete control points from those images.
Ptgui offers template stitching so you can resize all your images (1/4 or 1/8th of original)so the total project becomes very light stitch that project once successful save the project file as template.
start a new project & then add original size images & now apply the template which you saved with smaller size, PTgui will perfectly align your full size images saving you time & should stitch the final pano.
Before stitching the original images go to project menu > "calculate required temporary disk space" thiswill tell you if your computer can handle the pano or not.
x64 OS with tons of ram & fast hdd running x64 PTgui is recommended.
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Shantic
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Re: Autopano Crashing on 971 image pano
Posted: 8 Jun 2010 at 6:56 GMT
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Mediavets; you keep saying that (also on the autopano forum) but that its not true, My computer can handle the rendering just fine, as a matter of fact, I am using Microsoft ICE (yeah go figure) and its GREAT it handled my images correctly and its now in the process of rendering my 5.7 gigapixel pano... so your theory of 32bits with little memory does not hold true, sorry. unless you mean Autopano cannot handle it on my computer.
I have the trial version of autopano, but I do find it buggy, but I hope it all gets fixed really soon 
also on autopano I did try the gigapan wizard, and it showed great on the "preview" but it ALWAYS crashes on finding control points, tried on a 32 bit with 2 gb of ram and about 1TB free space and on a 64bit 4gb ram and more than 500gb of free space.
I know Ptgui can handle templates, and the problem is that there is a lot of ocean, and sky I don't really feel like deleting control points from hundreds of photos, Ptgui should have a wizard for gigapan, Microsoft ICE and Autopano Giga have them, it would be great of Ptgui would too
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mediavets
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Re: Autopano Crashing on 971 image pano
Posted: 8 Jun 2010 at 7:43 GMT
updated: 8 Jun 2010 at 7:45 GMT
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Shantic said: Mediavets; you keep saying that (also on the autopano forum) but that its not true, My computer can handle the rendering just fine, as a matter of fact, I am using Microsoft ICE (yeah go figure) and its GREAT it handled my images correctly and its now in the process of rendering my 5.7 gigapixel pano... so your theory of 32bits with little memory does not hold true, sorry. unless you mean Autopano cannot handle it on my computer.
Yes, I was referring only to APP/APG. My 'theory' - as you call it - about 32-bit OS and little RAM is a reality when using APP/APG.
I look forward to seeing the results of your stitch with MS ICE.
Did you try using the Gigapan stitching program? The latest version claims multi-core support amongst other enhancements.
I have the trial version of autopano, but I do find it buggy, but I hope it all gets fixed really soon
A new version (2.5) with a completely new memory manager is due shortly.
also on autopano I did try the gigapan wizard, and it showed great on the "preview" but it ALWAYS crashes on finding control points,
I think you ran into a bug on 2.0.8 - I know people have used the Gigapan wizard on panos comprising even more images with previous versions. 2.0.8 has a modififed version of the original memory management system which in solving some problems has caused issues elsewhere is some instances. This was only ever a temporary fix until the completely new memory manager becomes available in 2.5.
tried on a 32 bit with 2 gb of ram and about 1TB free space and on a 64bit 4gb ram and more than 500gb of free space.
Such specs may seem quite adequate for some stitching programs but neither will get you very far when attempting to stitch a pano comprising 971 x 15MP images with APP/APG which loves to have a lot of CPU, a lot of RAM and a lot of fast disk.
As you are discovering it's very much easier to shoot very large high res. panos than it is subsquently to process them.
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Shantic
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Re: Autopano Crashing on 971 image pano
Posted: 8 Jun 2010 at 14:59 GMT
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Mediavets; thanks for the reply
I tried the gigapan software but since I don't own a gigapan, I can't use it, not even try it, it asks for a license
I can't wait for 2.5, sounds like a big improvement
well processing them didn't seem that bad for ICE which turned out a 33gb PSB file I will surely show you the results once I check out the details. :P
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