TriggerHappY
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Rebirth of cool : QTVR?
Posted: 27 Feb 2010 at 3:52 GMT
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After chatting with a bunch of realtor's, and various families/humans about the i-pad, should we be concerned about flash? Steve Job's does not seem to stop slamming adobe, no flash=more paid apps.
I figured once flash 10 was out we were set, but if millions/billions? of folks start using such mobile products as much as the iphone we might be doomed again within a year or two. Try to sell a tour when the guy/girl paying can not view it.
Hopefully they all kiss and make up, maybe they have, would be great to play with a tablet and flash Vr's. Mobile computing could be huge for hotel + realty customers.
With the rise of augmented reality we can be at the cusp of immersive content if we get a solid platform to play with.
Just a rant, maybe a year or so early, gimme your thoughts...
Have fun
Dylan
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Re: Rebirth of cool : QTVR?
Posted: 27 Feb 2010 at 4:10 GMT
updated: 14 Mar 2011 at 16:13 GMT
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Steve Jobs should be head butted with a sledge hammer, in order to get things straight.
He should of course be entitled to have his opinions and plans, but it should not be up to him to decide what people can and can not see on their devices.
If he wants to lay some guide lines for users, he could have made it so that users would get a warning every time there would be flash content:
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WARNING. If you enable flash viewing on this device, your battery will be used up faster than if you do not enable flash.
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And it would be up to the owners of the devices to decide if they want to recharge more often or not. It is NOT ok when a major company simply decides to prevent people access to media that is commonly used all over the world online.
Where did I put the sledge hammer.....
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Vito Di Vita
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Re: Rebirth of cool : QTVR?
Posted: 27 Feb 2010 at 5:57 GMT
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I wish Apple at least made QTVR compatible with the iPhone, unfortunately they totally separated themselves from the VR industry.
PangeaVR is an option but how many people are willing to download an app and go through that process?
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Seba
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Re: Rebirth of cool : QTVR?
Posted: 27 Feb 2010 at 6:32 GMT
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I don't mean to disappoint you but I wouldn't hope for the "kiss and make up" just yet.
You need to remember that Apple is a company that enjoys total dominance over its hardware and the software that runs on, so allowing Flash — which is a development platform of its own — would just be too dangerous as it would divert business from the App Store, as well as enable publishers to distribute music, videos and movies that could compete with the iTunes Store. There is a reason why Apple desperately forces Flash out. And it's not technical as they often claim (Flash uses too much of device resource to run), it's simply pure profit greed.
I would not worry about Flash being replace by AR, HTML5 or whatever else is out there, plotting on taking Flash's chair. HTML 5 is a neat idea and may be friendly for video delivery, simple animations and those who don't know Flash, but how long (if ever) will it be before it can do everything Flash can? What will Flash be able to do by then? Adobe’s not going anywhere and their device penetration is only growing with each day.
Regarding augmented reality, I wouldn't worry about it at all! AR is more of what "hands free bluetooth earpiece" is
to a phone, than a phone itself. There is very limited use for it, think of it as fancy animated GIF  Of course, it's capable of more than that but it has specific purpose and can't be a full blown application like Flash is. It makes nice addition to your already exiting flash content, compliment your Flash project with rich visual elements.
Flash has been around since 1996/97. I work with it since its incarnation and during all these years, we had all kind of technologies "endangering" its existence. And yet here we are, almost 14 years later, Flash going strong and the others failing to sustain...
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Doug Aurand
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Re: Rebirth of cool : QTVR?
Posted: 27 Feb 2010 at 15:42 GMT
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Dylan
If the iPad becomes popular, there's the possiblility that the usuers will want Flash even more, after all with the screen being bigger than an iPhone, images and video will look better and the users will want all options for video.
It is possible another technology will replace Flash, just like its largely replaced others. Its just the evolution of technology.
iPIX Corp went bankrupt but there are thousands of images online being used, QTVR support from Apple appears to be waining though their are thousands of images online, and the online inventory of Flash media is huge and not likely to disappear soon, so Flash as a viewing technology will be around for a while.
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mediavets
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Re: Rebirth of cool : QTVR?
Posted: 27 Feb 2010 at 18:07 GMT
updated: 27 Feb 2010 at 18:30 GMT
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Seba said: I don't mean to disappoint you but I wouldn't hope for the "kiss and make up" just yet.
You need to remember that Apple is a company that enjoys total dominance over its hardware and the software that runs on, so allowing Flash — which is a development platform of its own — would just be too dangerous as it would divert business from the App Store, as well as enable publishers to distribute music, videos and movies that could compete with the iTunes Store. There is a reason why Apple desperately forces Flash out. And it's not technical as they often claim (Flash uses too much of device resource to run), it's simply pure profit greed.
I agree with your analysis but I believe there may be some truth to the 'Flash uses too much device resource' argument too.
I have a Nokia N800 Internet Tablet which does support Flash and have experimented with trying to play Flash panos on it - it can only handle very low res. panos and even then playback is very sloooooow.
Today's handheld mobiles - such as the Nokia N800/N810/N900, iPhone, iPad and so on - have very limited compute and memory resources compared to any netbook, laptop or desktop.
Regardless of the (software) technology employed I doubt any of these handheld mobiles are capable of delivering the panorama playing experience we are used to with modern laptops and desktops. And with the limited battery power available to/in such devices a major constraint in terms of compute performance - no-one's going to buy a high perfomance model with a battery life of say one hour - it's hard to see that changing in the near term.
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Terry Montague
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Re: Rebirth of cool : QTVR?
Posted: 27 Feb 2010 at 18:41 GMT
updated: 14 Mar 2011 at 16:13 GMT
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What can be expected (and I hope that will be the positive outcome) is for Adobe to find a way to make Flash faster, better and less resource demanding. It is of course in their interest to have as little critique of their platforms as possible... so if they CAN improve things, they WILL do it... I hope.
Just because Flash is resource demanding today, does not mean it will always be like that. If Apple can't make their hardware compatible with standard applications like Flash, THEY should improve their hardware, and thereby meet the minimum requirements that other hardware producers have already met. (Are there some PC tablet providers that exclude Flash from their platforms? Or Netbooks, or Laptops? Not that I know of in any case, so it really looks as if Apple is lagging behind everyone else in the industry! ... I think this is the right way to view the issue).
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Ken Warner
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Re: Rebirth of cool : QTVR?
Posted: 27 Feb 2010 at 18:45 GMT
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Doug Aurand said: Dylan
If the iPad becomes popular, there's the possiblility that the usuers will want Flash even more,....
True. And if the iPad doesn't support Flash, people will get a Windows or Linux based tablet. Apple has no lock on touch screen technology or the form factor.
Right if you spent the same money on a Netbook -- you'd have a really good Netbook...
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Doug Aurand
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Re: Rebirth of cool : QTVR?
Posted: 28 Feb 2010 at 16:52 GMT
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Trausti & Ken are on the right tract
Down deep, what the market wants is a handheld that has the power of desktop.
Computer engineers will increase the power of these handhelds exponentially over time, just like they did desktops and laptops.
When I got my Winbook XP5, Pentium 1, 8MB RAM and 320MB HD, a few of us new there would be Gigabyte harddrives, but not many imagined Terabyte Harddrives for $120 at any Staples sore
The iPad and iPhone and other competing products will get Flash sooner rather than later and Steve Jobs will end up eating his words and supporting Flash on his
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mediavets
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Re: Rebirth of cool : QTVR?
Posted: 28 Feb 2010 at 17:27 GMT
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Doug Aurand said: Trausti & Ken are on the right tract
Down deep, what the market wants is a handheld that has the power of desktop.
Computer engineers will increase the power of these handhelds exponentially over time, just like they did desktops and laptops.
I may be mistaken but I believe the laws of physics will stand in the way.
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TriggerHappY
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Re: Rebirth of cool : QTVR?
Posted: 28 Feb 2010 at 17:31 GMT
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Hi Doug, unfortunately it is more about selling apps than power issues. Steve Jobs has the hate for adobe and even folks like Google are getting in line.
On youtube's web site "We are very excited about HTML5 as an open standard and want to be part of moving HTML5 forward on the web."
If the damn thing takes of as well as the iphone I smell trouble...
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Dylan
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Doug Aurand
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Re: Rebirth of cool : QTVR?
Posted: 28 Feb 2010 at 17:57 GMT
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mediavets said: Doug Aurand said: Trausti & Ken are on the right tract
Down deep, what the market wants is a handheld that has the power of desktop.
Computer engineers will increase the power of these handhelds exponentially over time, just like they did desktops and laptops.
I may be mistaken but I believe the laws of physics will stand in the way.
Then I guess Flash is doomed because Jobs says so.
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Doug Aurand
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Re: Rebirth of cool : QTVR?
Posted: 28 Feb 2010 at 18:05 GMT
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Dylan
That assumes Adobe does kittle or nothing to respond.
I'm not saying Flash will last forever as the dominant "moving media" format. At some point it will cease to exist or morph into another product
But "selling" is exactly why Adobe will fight back with their considerable resourses.
They're not going to just let Apple and HTML5 roll over them and kill a million dollar profit maker.
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