Ad Bo
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Any experience with Nodal Ninja R1 and a tilted camera?
Posted: 9 Jul 2009 at 11:05 GMT
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Hi there.
So I have my 5D, my Nodal Ninja R1 on the way and maybe I can get it to work with a Tokina 10-17.
Because the R1 attaches to the lens, you can tilt the camera so the diagonal of the image taken is exactly vertical.
See bottom left setup on this image:
I was wondering if that makes a big difference? Could you have a filled image and still need only 4 shots at 11, 12 or 13mm? So no wasted resolution on a 5D, those big black areas..
Thanks,
Adriaan
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Hans Nyberg
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Re: Any experience with Nodal Ninja R1 and a tilted camera?
Posted: 9 Jul 2009 at 11:28 GMT
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Tilting diagonally does not help you.
You can do 4 shots at as much as 12.5 mm without even tilting up.
Hans
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Ad Bo
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Re: Any experience with Nodal Ninja R1 and a tilted camera?
Posted: 9 Jul 2009 at 12:49 GMT
updated: 9 Jul 2009 at 12:56 GMT
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How about three shots?
The tilting should be able to get you a complete top and bottom at a wider angle right? Completely fill the frame without needing a top and bottom shot.
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Hans Nyberg
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Re: Any experience with Nodal Ninja R1 and a tilted camera?
Posted: 9 Jul 2009 at 12:53 GMT
updated: 9 Jul 2009 at 12:54 GMT
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Yes you can do 3 images at 10 mm. But there is in my opinion nothing to gain as you get much less automatic controlpoints generated with 3.
The perfect overlap for PTGui is 25%.
Hans
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Ad Bo
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Re: Any experience with Nodal Ninja R1 and a tilted camera?
Posted: 9 Jul 2009 at 12:57 GMT
updated: 9 Jul 2009 at 13:01 GMT
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The tilting should be able to get you a complete top and bottom at a lesser angle right? Completely fill the frame without needing a top and bottom shot.
What is the maximum angle in mm you can get while keeping the top and the bottom in the frame?
Thanks
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bigwade
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Re: Any experience with Nodal Ninja R1 and a tilted camera?
Posted: 9 Jul 2009 at 21:12 GMT
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12mm, with a 5D you will get a 8400x4200pix equi, Cubes about 2676x2676pix
4 around.
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Grinch
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Re: Any experience with Nodal Ninja R1 and a tilted camera?
Posted: 9 Jul 2009 at 21:32 GMT
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"you can tilt the camera so the diagonal of the image taken
is exactly vertical": why do this? what advantage?
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Hans Nyberg
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Re: Any experience with Nodal Ninja R1 and a tilted camera?
Posted: 9 Jul 2009 at 21:55 GMT
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Ad Bo said: The tilting should be able to get you a complete top and bottom at a lesser angle right? Completely fill the frame without needing a top and bottom shot.
What is the maximum angle in mm you can get while keeping the top and the bottom in the frame?
Thanks
The Tokina covers 184 degrees so you do not need to tilt at all if you just zoom in until the circle touches the edge. That is at 12.5mm approximately.
And the Tokina is sharp to the edge if you learn how to focus it.
See this test at 10mm.
www.panoramas.dk/panorama/Nikkor-10.5/tokina-nikk...
If you use the new Mark II that will give you 11000x5500.
Hans
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Ad Bo
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Re: Any experience with Nodal Ninja R1 and a tilted camera?
Posted: 9 Jul 2009 at 23:11 GMT
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Everyone agrees that with a Canon 5D m2 the Tokina 10-17 is the way to go?
Has anyone got it working well with the Nodal Ninja R1?
Thanks!
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bigwade
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Re: Any experience with Nodal Ninja R1 and a tilted camera?
Posted: 10 Jul 2009 at 0:02 GMT
updated: 10 Jul 2009 at 0:08 GMT
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Ad Bo said: Has anyone got it working well with the Nodal Ninja R1?
Thanks!
Yep.. (beta)
But there is no lensring for a Tok available yet.
visit www.nodalninja.com/forum/
for more info.
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Nick Fan
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Re: Any experience with Nodal Ninja R1 and a tilted camera?
Posted: 10 Jul 2009 at 5:23 GMT
updated: 10 Jul 2009 at 5:23 GMT
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Ad Bo said: Hi there.
So I have my 5D, my Nodal Ninja R1 on the way and maybe I can get it to work with a Tokina 10-17.
Because the R1 attaches to the lens, you can tilt the camera so the diagonal of the image taken is exactly vertical.
I was wondering if that makes a big difference? Could you have a filled image and still need only 4 shots at 11, 12 or 13mm? So no wasted resolution on a 5D, those big black areas..
Thanks,
Adriaan
The "tilting" (rolling) is useful for sigma 8mm on APS sensor. You can reduce the minimum number to 3. It also increase the nadir and zenith coverage. This is important for pole panos.
Nick
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Re: Any experience with Nodal Ninja R1 and a tilted camera?
Posted: 10 Jul 2009 at 5:26 GMT
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bigwade said: Ad Bo said: Has anyone got it working well with the Nodal Ninja R1?
Thanks!
Yep.. (beta)
But there is no lensring for a Tok available yet.
visit www.nodalninja.com/forum/
for more info.
Lens ring for Tokina 10-17mm (Canon/Nikon mount) and Sigma 4.5mm (canon mount) are due this month.
Nick
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Ad Bo
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Re: Any experience with Nodal Ninja R1 and a tilted camera?
Posted: 10 Jul 2009 at 10:09 GMT
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Trying to buy the Tokina 10-17, but the seller keeps telling me it won't work. Canon mount though. Price looks ok..
This should work fine right?
cgi.ebay.de/Tokina-Fisheye-Zoom-AT-X-10-17-mm-3-5....c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12|66%3A2|39%3A1|72%3A1229|293%3A1|294%3A50
I assume the Tokina 10-17 is the best way to go with a Canon 5D to have some flexibility. I expect to take slow panoramas, where I have all the time in the world. And panoramas with people close-up, so I need a wide angle to keep them in the shot.
Thanks
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Re: Any experience with Nodal Ninja R1 and a tilted camera?
Posted: 10 Jul 2009 at 10:30 GMT
updated: 10 Jul 2009 at 10:31 GMT
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Ad Bo said: This should work fine right?
It will fine, but you understand the sun shade/hood has to be machined off right? It will not work as intended with a full size sensor as is. The sun shade has to come off.
Regards, Smooth 
www.smooth360.info
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Hans Nyberg
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Re: Any experience with Nodal Ninja R1 and a tilted camera?
Posted: 10 Jul 2009 at 12:38 GMT
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Ad Bo said: Trying to buy the Tokina 10-17, but the seller keeps telling me it won't work. Canon mount though. Price looks ok..
Thanks
Just send him to this page for explanation and tell him that we are in hundreds using it this way.
www.360pano.de/en/tokina-sigma-nikon.html
Hans
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