Pete Loud
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Location: United Kingdom
Registered: 14 Oct 2006
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Full-screen Flash Panos.
Posted: 26 Jan 2009 at 21:33 GMT
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Hi Guys,
So far most of my panos are presented as full-screen QT .mov files, however I suspect that I am losing many possible viewers because they do not have and cannot be bothered to install QT.
I would now like to change to displaying the panos as full-screen Flash files assuming that most people can display Flash without having to install more software. So far I have not been able to find any simple html code for doing this.
Has anyone any suggestions regarding code, or any other suggestions regarding making it simple for Joe Public view my panos?
Pete
www.peterloud.co.uk/photos/SEAsia_07-08/Singapore...
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michael medina
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Location: portland, oregon, United States
Registered: 27 Jan 2008
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Re: Full-screen Flash Panos.
Posted: 26 Jan 2009 at 22:00 GMT
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the simplest way is with pano2vr. it will output an self contained swf file. you can link directly to the swf and it will scale to the browser window. also it has html templates (both qt and flash) if you want the swf contained in an html page. choosing the right interpolator and quality settings takes some time to figure out if you don't want to lose quality.
other viewers are flash panorama player, krpano, panosalado, lucid.
imo other than pano2vr the rest are about the same difficulty to implement, panosalado is free (open source) and the rest cost about the same.
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Peter Patricelli
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Location: Eugene, OR, United States
Registered: 20 Dec 2006
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Re: Full-screen Flash Panos.
Posted: 27 Jan 2009 at 2:54 GMT
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Michael,
Thanks you for the concise answer. Would you or anyone else clear up the confusion I was having as to the difference between the .swf file that is produced from pano2qtvr when one asks for "flash" output and the "self contained swf file" from pano2vr? I undertand that the latter is "self contained" and runs itself, but what is the non-self-contained swf file from pano2qtvr used for? What program(s) does one need to run THAT swf file??
Thank you
Peter Patricelli
www.flyfishingfotography.com
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Smooth
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Location: Mount Panorama, Australia
Registered: 21 Jul 2004
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Re: Full-screen Flash Panos.
Posted: 27 Jan 2009 at 7:36 GMT
updated: 27 Jan 2009 at 7:39 GMT
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Pano2VR offers two ways to display a .swf panorama movie. The first is self contained meaning you have just one complete .swf file. No need for external images, xml, folders etc.
The second is a .swf player that calls the panorama images, skin content via the .html that Pano2VR outputs (you must set/edit the correct file paths within this .html file).
The reason for this method is if you have a menu bar or skin element you wish to use (called upon) for many different panoramas you only need to have one set of these images on your server (they can be shared) reducing the amount of server space needed.
Obviously the Skin Editor GUI makes life a lot easier than editing a text based document like a .XML file. Sure there is still a learning curve but the Pano2VR forum is very active and there are people willing to help.
Pano2VR works pretty much the same as all the others with respect to XML it's just that it's hidden. Using the Pano2VR skin editor your saved "Skin" has the file extension .ggsk (garden gnome skin) and really all this is, is a renamed .zip file. If you were to change the .ggsk to .zip and unzip it you will find a folder full of skin images and a .XML file.
Regards, Smooth 
www.smooth360.info
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Pete Loud
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Location: United Kingdom
Registered: 14 Oct 2006
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Re: Full-screen Flash Panos.
Posted: 27 Jan 2009 at 12:09 GMT
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Hi Guys,
Thanks for your replies.
Michael,
My reason for posting the message was that I had tried PanoVR and couldn't get a full-screen Flash pano, have I missed something?
I am not after buying a complete Virtual Tour package, yet, all I want are a few lines of code and/or perhaps some javascript to stick in an html files to give me a full-screen Flash version of what I have already done with QT, e.g. www.peterloud.co.uk/photos/SEAsia_07-08/Chinatown...
Cheers,
Pete
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Vilmer
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Location: Argentina
Registered: 23 May 2007
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Re: Full-screen Flash Panos.
Posted: 27 Jan 2009 at 12:47 GMT
updated: 27 Jan 2009 at 12:49 GMT
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Pete, to be able to use the fullscreen option in pano2vr, you have to call the swf file inside a html file. The option should be in the flashvars in that html file. It's easily created by using the fullscreen template in pano2vr. You will find it under the 'flash output'--> 'HTML' tab --> check 'enable HTML file', template: 'fullscreen.ggt'
Grts,
Ronald
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Pete Loud
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Location: United Kingdom
Registered: 14 Oct 2006
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Re: Full-screen Flash Panos.
Posted: 27 Jan 2009 at 13:35 GMT
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Hi Roland,
Following your message I created a new .swf using the settings you said, (which were exactly the same as I had previously used), and still didn't get the pano opening full-screen. It has 'allowFullScreen','true',
Here it is so that you can check the source code.
www.peterloud.co.uk/photos/SEAsia_07-08/Smith_Str...
Prior to this I had been trying the old HTML Embed command. It it would display the pano OK if I used height & width in pixels or mixed, but not when both %.
Cheers,
Pete
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Smooth
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Location: Mount Panorama, Australia
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Re: Full-screen Flash Panos.
Posted: 27 Jan 2009 at 13:43 GMT
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You must click the fullscreen button in the menu.
It is beyond rude to force fullscreen without the viewers consent.
Regards, Smooth
www.smooth360.info
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Pete Loud
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Location: United Kingdom
Registered: 14 Oct 2006
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Re: Full-screen Flash Panos.
Posted: 27 Jan 2009 at 14:08 GMT
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Thanks Smooth,
That button solved the problem. Strangely, that button was not working at all yesterday.
I certainly do not regard it as 'beyond rude' to open a pano as full-screen. I am sure that I am not alone in that. I think it maximises the impact of the pano and that most viewers find it awesome to suddenly find themselves inside a large pano.
Now I need to look at the code to reverse it, so that it opens full-screen, then can be reduced to a window.
Cheers,
Pete
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Smooth
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Re: Full-screen Flash Panos.
Posted: 27 Jan 2009 at 14:26 GMT
updated: 27 Jan 2009 at 14:28 GMT
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Pete Loud said: I certainly do not regard it as 'beyond rude' to open a pano as full-screen. I am sure that I am not alone in that.
Maybe but I don't think so.
I think maybe it's a case of you think it's awesome. I'm sure others will offer their opinion. I have offered mine.
Just like sound you don't expect, full screen display should be a choice not forced upon you. Making the window expand to maximum view should be enough to make the impact and then if people wish to dismiss the window frame they can make the choice.
Your Fullscreen button didn't work yesterday because you didn't have the 'AllowFullScreen",'true' set in your HTML yesterday. 
Regards, Smooth
www.smooth360.info
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Vilmer
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Location: Argentina
Registered: 23 May 2007
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Re: Full-screen Flash Panos.
Posted: 27 Jan 2009 at 14:35 GMT
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Pete, don't forget there's still a lot of people out there who have never experienced the joy of a (fullscreen) pano. I you submerge them in a fullscreen pano after they click a link, they are most probably going to reset the computer by hand because they will be clueless about what's going on and 'why their internet disappeared'.
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gus
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Location: United Kingdom
Registered: 19 Jun 2007
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Re: Full-screen Flash Panos.
Posted: 27 Jan 2009 at 20:14 GMT
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I agree with Smooth on this one.
When a pano forces fullscreen on my PC, I can't hit the ESC button and right click to exit quick enough to close the pano. It's just personal preference, the same with opening a pano with sound ON by default. Alt+F4 before you can blink an eye.
By all means, offer them, but give your visitor the choice.
"Taking over" someone's monitor and speakers without their consent is discourteous. 
Gus
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Pete Loud
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Location: United Kingdom
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Re: Full-screen Flash Panos.
Posted: 27 Jan 2009 at 20:28 GMT
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If someone chooses to click on, "Click here for a full-screen panorama" then they shouldn't be too surprised to get a full-screen pano. I do not regard a full-screen pano as 'taking over someone's computer', especially when in the centre of the screen it says, "Press Esc to exit full-screen . . ."
It's a matter of artisitic effect, and that some people go with the flow and some don't.
Anyhow thanks to everyone for their help, and I still haven't worked out how to reverse the full-screen/window opening
Cheers,
Pete
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gus
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Pete Loud
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Re: Full-screen Flash Panos.
Posted: 27 Jan 2009 at 21:34 GMT
updated: 27 Jan 2009 at 21:50 GMT
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Yeah, That's the way I like it.
What I want to do is replicate that using Flash.
Pete
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