Jorgen Poulsen
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Location: France
Registered: 30 Apr 2008
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Hosting
Posted: 26 Jan 2009 at 20:39 GMT
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Couldn't find much on this subject.
Two questions
1) is it best to outsource hosting or do it in-house?
2) In either event what a fiar price for hosting per month? Is it per VT or some other measure?
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NYCreate
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Location: North Yorkshire & Northern England, United Kingdom
Registered: 21 Aug 2005
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Re: Hosting
Posted: 26 Jan 2009 at 21:12 GMT
updated: 26 Jan 2009 at 21:13 GMT
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Hi again Jorgen,
I suppose it depends on you experience or competency, We pay for a remote server which we use for all our websites and hosting etc.
If you know how to make you webpages etc then you just need some webspace etc. Around £2 a month is a good price for hosting. We use www.1and1.co.uk/?k_id=8940398 (my aff link so please use if you decide to go with them) and can highly recommend them.
Their basic hosting package would be a cheap and easy start with plenty of webspace and bandwidth for a beginner. This will allow you to host as many VT's as your webspace can take.
Hope this helps
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Jorgen Poulsen
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Location: France
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Re: Hosting
Posted: 26 Jan 2009 at 21:34 GMT
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Hi thank for responding. I do know how to make webpages but I really only need space to hosy my clients' VTs.
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Re: Hosting
Posted: 26 Jan 2009 at 22:11 GMT
updated: 16 Nov 2010 at 22:07 GMT
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I would like to recommend www.Blacknight.ie based in Ireland. I use them personally for hosting both websites and virtual tours, they have excellent support. Their basic package costs about 60 euro a year and you get loads of features, space and bandwidth.
Heggy
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Jorgen Poulsen
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Location: France
Registered: 30 Apr 2008
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Re: Hosting
Posted: 26 Jan 2009 at 23:22 GMT
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Thanks. How do I figure out if I should have a dedicated hosted server? How much space? bandwidth etc. etc.?
What else do I need to speak about?
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jimmyd
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Location: United States
Registered: 6 Nov 2004
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Re: Hosting
Posted: 26 Jan 2009 at 23:27 GMT
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Jorgen Poulsen said: Thanks. How do I figure out if I should have a dedicated hosted server? How much space? bandwidth etc. etc.?
What else do I need to speak about?
How much money you want to spend.
How much bandwidth you need.
How much server space will be needed.
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Jorgen Poulsen
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Location: France
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Re: Hosting
Posted: 26 Jan 2009 at 23:53 GMT
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I want fast bandwidth so that VTs load really fast.
I want enough space to hold at least 100 high quality VTs and 10,000 high quality jpegs (if that's the best format) and RAW files
Let's see if I can afford that 
I could probably spend $10,000.
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No One
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Location: Sri Lanka
Registered: 14 May 2004
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Re: Hosting
Posted: 27 Jan 2009 at 0:08 GMT
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Jorgen,
Fast load times is more about image optimization than anything else once your hosted or hosting via a reasonable channel.
Storage space is so cheap today that it is not even a factor you should consider unless your dealing with someone that is less than honest.
It sounds like with all the questions you've been and continue to ask that you've been quite successful in selling something you don't have or know much about.
That's great, I wish you the best on this endeavor but it may warrant paying a consultant(s) to optimize what your trying to do. Paying $10,000 to host most sites is overpaying by at least 10 to 50 times, perhaps even more.
And you've not even asked the questions you should be yet.
Regards and best of luck,
Robert
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jimmyd
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Location: United States
Registered: 6 Nov 2004
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Re: Hosting
Posted: 27 Jan 2009 at 1:14 GMT
updated: 27 Jan 2009 at 1:29 GMT
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Picking up on Robert's points....It seems Jorgen that you are trying to piece together every aspect of a quality virtual tour using several separate sources. As if it is as easy as just putting bricks together. Maybe in the effort to save a few bucks this seems like it makes sense. However, in the amount of time you have spent asking questions, searching for answers, and researching you could have outsourced the more technical aspects of this project to an experienced group and been done with it, freeing you up to move to your next project. Time = Money. Additionally, doing so would guarantee that the finished project would meet your client's standards, which in the end is paramount.
I find it funny that you say you are willing to pay $10,000 for a server, but when you proposed this project publicly the amount you wished to pay (which out of respect I will keep private) for a PRIVATE LABEL, Privately hosted, 10 scene interactive tour was equal to about what most of us would charge to do one individual pano and not worthy of getting out of bed.
I think what you are finding is...this stuff ain't easy. Especially with some of the custom applications you have been inquiring about, i.e floor plan, private host, and interactive Flash delivery.
As I mentioned in our private correspondence, I can, I have, and will do everything you have asked. I'll save you your "$10,000" and host the tours on a private server at better than market value and at a speed that is more than enough to handle a FPP delivery and the traffic to which these tours will produce. Problem is, I can't do it at the rate to which you claim to be getting offers. It appears that the group that you have contracted are unable or unwilling to do so also.
I am willing to help with you this project and find a custom solution that fits your needs. However, to think you can take a "paint by numbers" approach to high end VT work is not advised. Your laundry list of questions makes me think that you might want to reconsider your game plan regarding your recently acquired work.
Kind Regards,
James
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Jorgen Poulsen
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Location: France
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Re: Hosting
Posted: 27 Jan 2009 at 4:12 GMT
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Thank you for all your comments. I think it's fair to say that none of you have all the information I have and your comments are therefore based on partial information which might lead you to the wrong conclusion. If anybody feels I'm wrong about this comments then please ignore it
Yes it is correct that I have successfully sold something I didn't have. However, the clients knew that it would take some time for me to put it together and I knew it could be done. Isn't that better than to put a product together and not knowing how many clients you can find and what they will pay? At least I know I have clients who will pay on day one.
With your help I have made tremendous progress which is why I have turned to these other parts, namely floor plan and hosting. Thank you for that. Hopefully I will soon move from being a novice to somebody who can add to other's knowledge on here.
All your answers are again helping me make decisions about which route to take so thank you for your input. You might think I'm a scatterbrain and that I don't know what I am doing. You couldn't be more wrong.
James, I have thanked you before for your offer to help and I thank you again. However, compared to what other offers I have had from 'suppliers' you were considerably more expensive and not picking you will easily save me at least $20,000 in 2009.
I'm not picking on you because everybody are entitled to charge whatever price they want but then of course also have to realise they will get all the work. I fully respect that.
I never said I would pay $10,000. However, if it made a material difference to the customer experience and it would sell more to a higher price then I might invest that much if the return was there.
I don't want this thread to turn into an argument between me and some members on here so I'll ignore any future comments questioning how I'm going about this project.
Thank you.
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jimmyd
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Location: United States
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Re: Hosting
Posted: 27 Jan 2009 at 4:54 GMT
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Jorgen Poulsen said: With your help I have made tremendous progress which is why I have turned to these other parts
No, with our help and by using our WORK as example you have successfully contracted said jobs out to the lowest bidder.
In theory that would be fine and dandy. I mean, hey..getting the lowest price you can is part of business. The problem is your multiple question strings which IMHO are not intended for "learning the craft" but rather to supply you the answers needed to contract the work to someone else who works below the pricemark of anyone here. In short, I find it a little bit on the side of bad taste as the members on this forum are some of the kindest, most generous in the biz. For someone who is SAVING $20,000 by not contracting at a fair price you would think they would have the professionalism to at least pay for consultation instead of leaching off the generosity of the great people at Panoguide.
Jorgen Poulsen said: I don't want this thread to turn into an argument between me and some members on here so I'll ignore any future comments questioning how I'm going about this project.
Then I suggest you stop posting questions that are clearly intended to help facilitate said project.
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Jorgen Poulsen
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Location: France
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Re: Hosting
Posted: 27 Jan 2009 at 7:56 GMT
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Hi James,
I'm sorry but you are wrong.
I am glad you agree that contracting to the lowest bidder is part of business. I can tell you that all future work on my VTs will be done by members of Panoguide at a fair price.
John Houghton and Hans Nyberg can confirm that I discussed with them to take the photos. John didn't have time and I think for Hans it was cost prohibitive due to travel expenses.
I hope the above will settle any concern you might have.
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Jorgen Poulsen
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Thomas Krueger
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Location: Genoa, Italy
Registered: 3 Mar 2006
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Re: Hosting
Posted: 28 Jan 2009 at 6:40 GMT
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I would stay away from these all-you-can-eat offers. Better go for precise hosting conditions and a telephone hotline to the hosting company in case something gets wrong. You will pay some $ more but you are on the safe side.
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michael medina
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Location: portland, oregon, United States
Registered: 27 Jan 2008
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Re: Hosting
Posted: 28 Jan 2009 at 7:48 GMT
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jorgen,
bluehost is a large reliable company. i believe hostmonster is a more expensive version and fastdomain is also the same company and they are a cheaper version. i've been on fastdomain for over a year with only a few problems at first. i've had hardly any issues in months and months. my site and the 16 others i host take up about 7 gig i think.
they have live chat and answer the phones from the united states. if i have any issues in the future, i'll be going to dreamhost more than likely although i'm nearly dependent on cpanel now. 
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