juann
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flash killed quicktime?
Posted: 3 Sep 2008 at 19:26 GMT
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Is quicktime dead? 
Cheers
Juann
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Henri Smeets
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Re: flash killed quicktime?
Posted: 3 Sep 2008 at 19:31 GMT
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I'm afraid there is not much we can do anymore 
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Nikos Giannakopoulos
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Re: flash killed quicktime?
Posted: 3 Sep 2008 at 20:42 GMT
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Juann and Henry what do you mean?
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Henri Smeets
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Re: flash killed quicktime?
Posted: 3 Sep 2008 at 21:57 GMT
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We mean that QuickTime as a presentation method for VR panoramas is slowly disappearing, being replaced by Flash. Not that we like it but unfortunately it is not wise present a panorama that forces people to download a plugin, despite the quality.
For us, 'professionals' QuickTime will not die though!
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Doug Aurand
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Re: flash killed quicktime?
Posted: 3 Sep 2008 at 23:23 GMT
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Its not dead yet, but its on the critical list
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Ken Warner
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Re: flash killed quicktime?
Posted: 3 Sep 2008 at 23:54 GMT
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Doug Aurand said: Its not dead yet, but its on the critical list
Doug Aurand
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I think QT is sharing a room with Java...
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spyboy
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Re: flash killed quicktime?
Posted: 4 Sep 2008 at 0:57 GMT
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Since Apple can't get their act together to port to 64bit OS's, goodbye QT.
There's more innovation going on in the flash pano player world (momentum, lens flare, overlays).
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Doug Aurand
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Re: flash killed quicktime?
Posted: 4 Sep 2008 at 1:37 GMT
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Ken Warner said: Doug Aurand said: Its not dead yet, but its on the critical list
Doug Aurand
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I think QT is sharing a room with Java...
Sun Microsystems is aggressively promoting and developing Java and developers like ImmerVision are using it like the Java PURE Player on this site, while Apple has bailed on QTVR and Flash Video is eating theirs and most other video formats for lunch.
Besides Java is a programing language capable of many this far more complicated than virtual image viewing, QuickTime is just a Video and VR Player.
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spyboy
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Re: flash killed quicktime?
Posted: 4 Sep 2008 at 1:53 GMT
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Java always seemed clunky at best.
It's bulky, requires software to download, then has a resident app that checks for updates constantly.
There's also Microsoft's Flash killer (or so they're trying) Silverlight, which seems like Flash + Java (nice visuals and real programming abilities).
I'd like to support as many pano players/formats as possible, but I think it will end up giving the user information overload. For now, I've been staying with Flash (using krpano)
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TriggerHappY
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Re: flash killed quicktime?
Posted: 4 Sep 2008 at 3:33 GMT
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For me in Canada, quicktime has been the only hurdle in making qtvr's (It would be great for adobe to try and market our medium when announcing upgrades-maybe we can chip in and pay em).
My nerd friends consider Quicktime malware. My other friends might have it installed, or not when it matters. Maybe a new wide screen monitor makes it looks weird full screen, or they are running 64 and it does not work at all. You get the picture.
I think Flash is really the only thing that needs to be perfected for our industry to be taken seriously. Hopefully with flash 10 we get the universal player. Not that this discounts Devalvr/quicktime for quality productions. But we have reached the point of ease of use and quality for general applications with flash 9.
I have only seen a few samples of the krpano solution and the ones I did the pans looked mighty weird when panning, do you have any better samples?
Have fun
Dylan
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DorinDXN
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Re: flash killed quicktime?
Posted: 4 Sep 2008 at 6:38 GMT
updated: 4 Sep 2008 at 6:58 GMT
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TriggerHappY said: I have only seen a few samples of the krpano solution and the ones I did the pans looked mighty weird when panning, do you have any better samples?
Hi Dylan
in krpano there are some parameters to set the projection as fisheye that cause the straight lines to be rendered as curved that can look weird indeed, but others call this as a more natural look.
to avoid that the parameter
<view fisheye="0.00"/>
must be added
you can download from
www.krpano.com/download/download.php?file=krpano1...
then unzip and in
\examples\sphere
replace
sphere_example.jpg
with your own equirectangular and see how it looks and pan. Then insert
<view fisheye="0.00"/>
in sphere_example.xml
just before
</krpano>
then try <view fisheye="1.00"/> 
Dorin
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Thomas Krueger
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Re: flash killed quicktime?
Posted: 5 Sep 2008 at 9:06 GMT
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Quicktime VR suffering it's huge backpack called iTunes is on the way to the VR hospice...
All Flash solutions embedded in swfObject are more user friendly as Quicktime and Java solutions.
Also Pano2VR is a fine application because you can bundle the skin and the pano into a single swf file.
The latest beta offers also an external output of images and skin together with the scripting, simial to krpano and FPP.
At least we have now together with PanoSalado as Opensource 4 different Flash solutions, not bad at all.
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DorinDXN
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Doug Aurand
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Re: flash killed quicktime?
Posted: 7 Sep 2008 at 16:21 GMT
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Apple is who is killing QTVR.
They stopped making the QT VR Authoring Studio a while back.
Combining their VR viewer with what's become a huge Video Player download instead of a true, compact plug-in like Deval or even iPIX's plug-in, has always been the objection many VR photographers have had.
No question its a quality player, but its like using WordPerfect (a great word processor) and their .wp file type instead of MS Word and the .doc file type; great product, but declining popularity among the general public.
Doug Aurand
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KVSSetty
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Re: flash killed quicktime?
Posted: 16 Sep 2008 at 9:21 GMT
updated: 16 Sep 2008 at 9:26 GMT
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I think we have 5(FIVE) major VR authoring tools based on flash (not four as said above by Thomas).
They are:
# FPP
# krPano
# Pano2VR
# Panosalado
# Tourweaver4.0
The latest version of TW4 has lots of flash features and now it outputs only flash SWF no Java Applet and I think its GUI makes for beginners (who don't know anything about XML,HTML,AS3,JS,CSS etc,.)making VR Tours a breeze.
KVS Setty
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