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KVSSetty

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help for choosing wide angle lens
Posted: 10 Jul 2008 at 7:38 GMT
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Hello to All smile ,

I am very new here and recently started to shoot Panos with my Nikon DX camera and 18-80mm lens made quite a few good cylindrical panos with Hugin.

Now wanted to make Spherical panos and ordered NN5L, yet to receive the head.

Mean while, wanted to buy a good wide angle and after some study and surfing short listed as follows:

# Nikon 10.5mm
# Sigma 8mm F3.5 EX DG
# Sigma 4.5mm F2.8EX DC

But unable to take a final decision.

So any help and suggestions is most welcome.

Thanking all the experts here for any help.
KVS Setty
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Steven Scott

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Re: help for choosing wide angle lens
Posted: 10 Jul 2008 at 8:01 GMT
updated: 10 Jul 2008 at 8:01 GMT
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I've been watching this board for some time. I'd vote along with what a lot might agree:

First. Sigma 8mm F3.5
Second. Nikon 10.5mm
Third. Sigma 4.5 F2.8

Of those you listed, I think the Sigma 8mm F3.5 is a dominant lens for worldwide panographers. I'll let the others give their say.

Best of luck, Steve
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Matt Rogers
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Re: help for choosing wide angle lens
Posted: 10 Jul 2008 at 9:50 GMT
updated: 10 Jul 2008 at 9:50 GMT
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Steven Scott said:

Of those you listed, I think the Sigma 8mm F3.5 is a dominant lens for worldwide panographers. I'll let the others give their say.


I'm not so sure about the 8mm f3.5 being dominant. We sell over ten times as many 10.5 Absolute heads compared to 8mm f3.5, in-fact we sell more Canon 15mm Absolute heads than the 8mm as well.

That fact may also be down to the fact that Nikon heads far outsell Canon heads.

Matt
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mediavets

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Re: help for choosing wide angle lens
Posted: 10 Jul 2008 at 10:19 GMT
updated: 10 Jul 2008 at 10:44 GMT
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KVSSetty said:

Hello to All smile ,

I am very new here and recently started to shoot Panos with my Nikon DX camera and 18-80mm lens made quite a few good cylindrical panos with Hugin.

Now wanted to make Spherical panos and ordered NN5L, yet to receive the head.

Mean while, wanted to buy a good wide angle and after some study and surfing short listed as follows:

# Nikon 10.5mm
# Sigma 8mm F3.5 EX DG
# Sigma 4.5mm F2.8EX DC

But unable to take a final decision.

So any help and suggestions is most welcome.

Thanking all the experts here for any help.
KVS Setty


I use both the Nikkor 10.5mm FE and the Sigma 8mm f3.5 FE lenses on a Nikon DX with NN5 head.

With my lowly 6MP Nikon D40 DX DSLR body (and NN5 head) both lenses produce spherical panos of sufficient image quality and resolution for fullscreen display via the Web with minimal hassle and at reasonable cost - my goal when choosing pano gear. I chose the NN5 over the quite adequate NN3 because it gives me 'headroom' to handle any camera body/lens combination I might ever use for shooting panos.

With the 6MP DX sensor the Nikkor 10.5mm produces an equirectangular pano image of approx 8000x4000 pixels. The Simga 8mm f3.5 about 6000x3000.

I need 6-around plus zenith (plus optional nadir) with the Nikkor 10.5mm FE.

4-around plus zenith (plus optional nadir) with the Sigma 8mm f3.5.

I would not consider the Sigma 4.5mm FE - it is more expensive than either of the the other two and because it produces a full circular image on a DX sensor the final equirectangular pano image resolution will be marginal for fullscreen display via the Web. OTOH you will probably only require 3-around so could use a Ring-type pano head.

If I could only have one FE for my Nikon DX DSLR I would probably opt for the Sigma 8mm f3.5 because fewer images for 360x180 coverage is a 'good thing' in scenes with movement.

I use Autopano Pro for stitching and Pano2VR to create QT and Flash panos for display via the Web.

Andrew
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Doug Aurand

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Re: help for choosing wide angle lens
Posted: 10 Jul 2008 at 14:00 GMT
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Not sure why Matt sells so many more Absolute heads for the Nikkor 10.5mm than for the Sigma 8mm

Tim Hatch's Equipment breakdown for the World Wide Panorama project shows the Nikkor is more popular than the Sigma among contributers, but ony a little

timhatch.com/projects/wwp-equipment/

Unfornately he doesn't have separate numbers for the f/3.5 and the f/4 versions.

Doug Aurand
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mediavets

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Re: help for choosing wide angle lens
Posted: 10 Jul 2008 at 14:11 GMT
updated: 10 Jul 2008 at 14:13 GMT
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Doug Aurand said:

Not sure why Matt sells so many more Absolute heads for the Nikkor 10.5mm than for the Sigma 8mm

Doug Aurand
Albuquerque, NM


Perhaps because 360Precision heads are 'top end' products, Nikon users with fancy cameras (and for me a D200/D300 would be a pretty 'fancy camera') and deep pockets tend to buy only Nikkor lenses and to be rather dismissive of third-party lenses like the Sigma range.

Andrew
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Matt Rogers
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Re: help for choosing wide angle lens
Posted: 10 Jul 2008 at 14:17 GMT
updated: 10 Jul 2008 at 14:32 GMT
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That's not entirely true. Quite a large percentage of our sales are to corporate type companies like TV studios, effects company, Universities etc and these customers would never take part in something like WWP.

Matt
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Doug Aurand

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Re: help for choosing wide angle lens
Posted: 10 Jul 2008 at 14:53 GMT
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Matt
That's exactly Andrew's point. Those would be buyers who were less price sensitive.

They would put a Nikon lens on a Nikon camera rather than a lens some would consider a "second tier" lens manufacturer.

VR Photographers who are paying with their own money would be more likely to do research and consider more affordable Panoramic Tripod Heads and wouldn't have as much of a problem mixing camera & lens maufacurers, if the lens offered features not available from the camera manufacturer's lens selection.

Like me wink

Doug Aurand
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Bradford Bohonus

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Re: help for choosing wide angle lens
Posted: 10 Jul 2008 at 15:46 GMT
updated: 10 Jul 2008 at 15:46 GMT
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mediavets said:

Perhaps because 360Precision heads are 'top end' products, Nikon users with fancy cameras (and for me a D200/D300 would be a pretty 'fancy camera') and deep pockets tend to buy only Nikkor lenses and to be rather dismissive of third-party lenses like the Sigma range.
Andrew


Well considering that the Nikon 10.5 sells for less than either of the two Sigmas mentioned- yet provides for better image quality, your statement doesn't actually make much of a point.
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mediavets

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Re: help for choosing wide angle lens
Posted: 10 Jul 2008 at 16:00 GMT
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di19026 said:

mediavets said:

Perhaps because 360Precision heads are 'top end' products, Nikon users with fancy cameras (and for me a D200/D300 would be a pretty 'fancy camera') and deep pockets tend to buy only Nikkor lenses and to be rather dismissive of third-party lenses like the Sigma range.
Andrew

Well considering that the Nikon 10.5 sells for less than either of the two Sigmas mentioned- yet provides for better image quality, your statement doesn't actually make much of a point.


'Deep pockets' referred more to purchase of 360Precision heads, and secondarily to the tendency of Nikon users with deep pockets (like the corporate users/purchasers Matt cited) to stick to Nikkor branded lenses - in case of this particular lens - the Nikkor 10.5mm FE - it ain't so much about cost it's about the brand, for such customers sticking to the Nikon/Nikkor brand constitutes a 'safe buy' and a more easily defended purchase decision.

Anyway, it's just idle speculation on my part.

Andrew
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Bradford Bohonus

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Re: help for choosing wide angle lens
Posted: 10 Jul 2008 at 16:06 GMT
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Doug Aurand said:

Tim Hatch's Equipment breakdown for the World Wide Panorama project shows the Nikkor is more popular than the Sigma among contributers, but ony a little

timhatch.com/projects/wwp-equipment/

Unfornately he doesn't have separate numbers for the f/3.5 and the f/4 versions.

Doug Aurand
Albuquerque, NM


Yes, but on which cameras? The Sigma lenses are available for a wider variety of cameras than Nikon's 10.5. One would need to cross reference the data by photographer name to match the camera used to the lens. This would give you a better idea of which Nikon users are opting for the Nikon 10.5 over the Sigma offerings.
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Bradford Bohonus

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Re: help for choosing wide angle lens
Posted: 10 Jul 2008 at 16:12 GMT
updated: 10 Jul 2008 at 16:20 GMT
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mediavets said:


'Deep pockets' referred more to purchase of 360Precision heads, and secondarily to the tendency of Nikon users with deep pockets (like the corporate users/purchasers Matt cited) to stick to Nikkor branded lenses - in case of this particular lens - the Nikkor 10.5mm FE - it ain't so much about cost it's about the brand, for such customers sticking to the Nikon/Nikkor brand constitutes a 'safe buy' and a more easily defended purchase decision.

Anyway, it's just idle speculation on my part.

Andrew


It is a little more involved than that.

The Nikon 10.5 for example is totally integrated within Nikon Capture/NX, which has built-in ability to correct things like chromatic aberration, vignetting and distortion correction specifically for this lens during raw conversion. This is another convenient aspect of the pairing.
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Doug Aurand

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Re: help for choosing wide angle lens
Posted: 10 Jul 2008 at 16:25 GMT
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That's one reason the Sigma lenses are so popular, they're made for more brand of cameras. Duhhh

And while the 10.5mm may produce better quality, its at the cost of needing more shots, 6+Z+N vs 4+Z+N and the Sigma 8mm can do 4Tilt + Nadir eliminating the Zenith

And on the Internet, I've yet to see any visible difference in final output.

The quality of Virtual Images diplayed on the Web, shot with similar quality cameras by similarly skilled photographers on the same quality panoramic heads, using the same stitching software are indistinguishable as to what lens was used.

Doug Aurand
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mediavets

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Re: help for choosing wide angle lens
Posted: 10 Jul 2008 at 16:51 GMT
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di19026 said:

mediavets said:


'Deep pockets' referred more to purchase of 360Precision heads, and secondarily to the tendency of Nikon users with deep pockets (like the corporate users/purchasers Matt cited) to stick to Nikkor branded lenses - in case of this particular lens - the Nikkor 10.5mm FE - it ain't so much about cost it's about the brand, for such customers sticking to the Nikon/Nikkor brand constitutes a 'safe buy' and a more easily defended purchase decision.

Anyway, it's just idle speculation on my part.

Andrew

It is a little more involved than that.

The Nikon 10.5 for example is totally integrated within Nikon Capture/NX, which has built-in ability to correct things like chromatic aberration, vignetting and distortion correction specifically for this lens during raw conversion. This is another convenient aspect of the pairing.


So true, that's one reason I have one (and a Sigma 8mm f3.5).

Andrew
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mediavets

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Re: help for choosing wide angle lens
Posted: 10 Jul 2008 at 16:59 GMT
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Doug Aurand said:

That's one reason the Sigma lenses are so popular, they're made for more brand of cameras. Duhhh

And while the 10.5mm may produce better quality, its at the cost of needing more shots, 6+Z+N vs 4+Z+N and the Sigma 8mm can do 4Tilt + Nadir eliminating the Zenith

And on the Internet, I've yet to see any visible difference in final output.

The quality of Virtual Images diplayed on the Web, shot with similar quality cameras by similarly skilled photographers on the same quality panoramic heads, using the same stitching software are indistinguishable as to what lens was used.

Doug Aurand
Albuquerque, NM


Yes, I think that's right.

I have both the Nikkor 10.5mm and the Sigma 8mm. With my current lowly 6MP Nikon DSLR the 10.5mm gives me a little more 'headroom' for post-processing for fullscreen on-line display because it creates an equirectangular of about 8000x4000 rather than the about 6000x3000 from the Sigma.

OTOH I need fewer shots for 360x180 with the Sigma 8mm in scenes with more movement, which is why I splashed out an second FE.

If I could only keep one of them it would be the Sigma.

Andrew
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