Erik Ahrend
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SPI-V engine anybody?
Posted: 18 Jun 2008 at 16:10 GMT
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Hi, I wonder if anybody here is actually using Aldo Hoeben´s Spi-V engine and it´s incredible set of tools to display their work?
If so, could you comment? Reliable? Fast?
I am mainly a photographer with limited computer or programming skills (though I have managed to buid my own web-sites succesfully). My main concern with this viewer is the difficulty for a newbie to set everything up and "tweak" the panos..My understanding of XML is close to nothing..
Thanks!!
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mediavets
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Re: SPI-V engine anybody?
Posted: 18 Jun 2008 at 17:58 GMT
updated: 18 Jun 2008 at 18:02 GMT
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With only about 55% of people having the Shockwave Player (a 4.4MB downlodd) installed - vs. 98% fro Flash Player - this doesn't seem a good choice of viewer for panos?:
www.adobe.com/products/player_census/shockwavepla...
You may like the KRPano Flash player which I feel shows great promise:
krpano.com/
Andrew
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Erik Ahrend
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Re: SPI-V engine anybody?
Posted: 18 Jun 2008 at 18:03 GMT
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Hi Andrew, I see what you mean, but the set of features it provides is impressive!! (specially the Adaptive Dynamic Range, which seen in work is simply spectucular..).
I´m currently using Immervision Pure suite with great success, but I´ll have a look at KRPano.
Thanks!!
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Doug Aurand
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Re: SPI-V engine anybody?
Posted: 18 Jun 2008 at 22:47 GMT
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Erik
Aldos SpiV is impressive, but like Andrew pointed out, market penetration of the Shockwave Plug-In is limited.
That's why Java Viewers are already so popular and Flash viewers are quickly becoming more and more popular.
Even QuickTime lags far behind Java & Flash installations
Doug Aurand
Albuquerque, NM
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Erik Ahrend
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Re: SPI-V engine anybody?
Posted: 21 Jun 2008 at 8:25 GMT
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Doug, I agree completely, I used to show my work in the three formats, but recently dropped Quicktime and am displaying my panos in Flash and Java exclusively. It is just that the features in Aldo´s tool impressed me. The sense of reality the Adaptive Dynamic Range gave to the panos left me wanting...
I understand that you need to make things as easy as possible to the viewer, but I wonder how much of a real obstacle downloading a new plugin can be...
Erik.
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mediavets
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Re: SPI-V engine anybody?
Posted: 21 Jun 2008 at 11:18 GMT
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Erik Ahrend said: Doug, I agree completely, I used to show my work in the three formats, but recently dropped Quicktime and am displaying my panos in Flash and Java exclusively. It is just that the features in Aldo´s tool impressed me. The sense of reality the Adaptive Dynamic Range gave to the panos left me wanting...
I understand that you need to make things as easy as possible to the viewer, but I wonder how much of a real obstacle downloading a new plugin can be...
Erik.
It depends on the 'sophistication' your target audience of pano viewers. But for many 'ordinary/normal' folk in these days of virus/trojan/phishing/key logging etc paranoia I think having to download and install a viewer represents a significant obstacle.
Andrew
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spyboy
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Re: SPI-V engine anybody?
Posted: 21 Jun 2008 at 11:53 GMT
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I gave up on Quicktime ever since I switched to a 64 bit OS. Apple still can't get QTVR working under 64 bits (XP or Vista) and it's been a known issue for over 2 years.
Plus, QTVR doesn't have the momentum slowdown that flash players have, which I reall like.
Kirk
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Doug Aurand
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Re: SPI-V engine anybody?
Posted: 21 Jun 2008 at 13:27 GMT
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Andrew
That's why I had my webmaster stop setting up iPIX Plug-In pages on my site www.VirtualAlbuquerque.com along with an iPIX Java Viewer page.
The iPIX Plug-In was better for displaying larger versions on iPIX images until version 3 of their Java viewer became available. The rotation & Zoom is smoother & more user controlable, controls were more intuitive and it supported hotspots
But the resistance to single use Plug-Ins was so high that almost nobody viewed the larger versions of my Images. I had been thinking about not setting up the iPIX Plug-In pages anymore and use the Java Viewer to display both the standard and large versions of then images for a few months, when iPIX Corp declared bankruptcy and a week later their website went offline and there was no way to get the Plug-In, so that made the decision for me. Even though the site went back online a week later, I just decided the Internet Surfers were going resist installing Plug-Ins more and more, so we stopped using it.
As far as Shockwave and Spi-V, Adobe is incoporating more and more of the functionality of Shockwave into Flash, so someday Spi-V may just need Flash, rather than Shockwave.
Doug Aurand
Albuquerque, NM
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tturner
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Re: SPI-V engine anybody?
Posted: 21 Jun 2008 at 14:23 GMT
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More on plug-ins,
Many viewers also surf from work on a network where the IT dept. does not allow downloading of plug-ins or other apps.
Cheers,
TTurner
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Doug Aurand
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Re: SPI-V engine anybody?
Posted: 21 Jun 2008 at 14:45 GMT
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TTurner
Good point!
With many computer manufacturers pre-installing Flash and Java, those business computers may already have the ability to view a virtual tour using those technologies.
Its the reason I settled on Microsoft's Windows Media Video as the format for my video work (Flash Video and YouTube hadn't hit the market yet); 95% of home and business computers (PCs) already had the Windows Media Player installed. And they have a Mac version of WMP for Apple devotees.
Later
Doug Aurand
Albuquerque, NM
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klausesser
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Location: Duesseldorf, Germany
Registered: 18 Feb 2008
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Re: SPI-V engine anybody?
Posted: 21 Jun 2008 at 18:39 GMT
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Hi!
I like to use SPI-V (Spiffy) for my motion-entranced fullscreen panos like www.klausesser.de/TurmSpf.html
Spiffy has some very cute options like dark/light leveling, sharp/unsharp transition and some others.
It´s a bit complicated in use - but one can learn it.
best, Klaus
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