tallmanirl
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Difference Between Pano Head and Panning Head?
Posted: 16 Jun 2008 at 19:14 GMT
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Is there a difference between a Panning Head on the tripod and a Pano Head?
I think my tripod has a panning head, but as I was given it 2nd hand, I have no manual. I don't have it with me, so I'll look at it to see what model it is tomorow. It had a head that rotates and can flip over to 90 degrees alright.
Regards,
Fergal.
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mediavets
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Re: Difference Between Pano Head and Panning Head?
Posted: 16 Jun 2008 at 19:25 GMT
updated: 16 Jun 2008 at 19:27 GMT
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Yes, there is a big difference.
A pano head allows you to adjust it so that the camera can be rotated round the No Parallax Point (NPP) of the lens. A panning tripod head doesn't.
Unless there's nothing in your scene closer than about 100 metres you will have parallax problems if you don't use a pano head to shoot panoramic images.
Andrew
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Doug Aurand
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Re: Difference Between Pano Head and Panning Head?
Posted: 16 Jun 2008 at 19:50 GMT
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Fergal
A "pan head" just lets you "pan"
I use the Manfrotto 390RC pan head for still photos so I can hold the camera in exactly the same position to take bracketed photos for High Dynamic Range composting.
I also have a fluid coupling pan head for my video camera so I can "pan" smoothly
Panoramic Tripod Heads or Panoramic Rotators don't "pan" they rotate and most have preset "stops". But most important, they maintain the No Parallax Point/Nodal Point/Entrance Pupil over the Pivot Point of the of the head. Some only pan horizontally like the new 360Precision Atome, others can shoot straight up, straight down and anywhere in between, all the while keeping the NPP over the Pivot Point like the Nodal Ninja 3 & 5 and 360Precision Absolute and Adjuste
What you're describing sounds like my 390RC that can tip the camera into potrait position as well as landscape.
If you go to the home page of www.NodalNinja.com, there's an animated GIF that shows what a Panoramic Tripod Head does.
Doug Aurand
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tallmanirl
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Re: Difference Between Pano Head and Panning Head?
Posted: 17 Jun 2008 at 13:38 GMT
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Hello guys!
Thanks for all that, I will check out the info. I posted a pic of my tripod here just to make sure I am correct in stating what I have. Technical lingo not my strongpoint www.panoguide.com/gallery/867/
Regards,
Fergal
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Doug Aurand
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Re: Difference Between Pano Head and Panning Head?
Posted: 17 Jun 2008 at 14:00 GMT
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Fergal
That's a "pan head" not a "panoramic head"
Doug Aurand
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DorinDXN
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Re: Difference Between Pano Head and Panning Head?
Posted: 17 Jun 2008 at 16:58 GMT
updated: 17 Jun 2008 at 17:14 GMT
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Hi Fergal, as Doug pointed out, if you compare your pan head
with a panoramic head
you'll see that the panoramic head allow that the camera to be rotated around one imaginary point which is inside of the lens, that point is where those two rotation axis are crossed.
Dorin
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tallmanirl
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Re: Difference Between Pano Head and Panning Head?
Posted: 17 Jun 2008 at 18:25 GMT
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Yeah, I can see where the panoramic head might come in handy with a full frame photo (I mean for more of the foreground being included). As it is, my subject matter is usually miles away, so surely the parallax doesn't figure here?
If I do buy a panoramic head, what are the best brands?
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tallmanirl
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Re: Difference Between Pano Head and Panning Head?
Posted: 17 Jun 2008 at 18:35 GMT
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Just had a look at the price of some of those babies. I think this will go on the 'maybe next year' list!
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Doug Aurand
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Re: Difference Between Pano Head and Panning Head?
Posted: 17 Jun 2008 at 21:26 GMT
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Fergal
The US$400 price of a Nodal Ninja 5 is a fraction of the Canon 1Ds Mark II you've been asking about.
Used 1Ds Mark II camera bodies with no lens are going for US$2550 to US$3500 in eBay.com
Maybe you should be considering a 40D or 400D to get started with. With the 400D you can use the smaller Nodal Ninja 3 thats only US$200 for the latest model
Doug Aurand
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tallmanirl
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Re: Difference Between Pano Head and Panning Head?
Posted: 18 Jun 2008 at 16:34 GMT
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I know that Doug, I hope to squeeze in a 1Ds + lens. The price I got online for the 1Ds was for new. I always find Google Product Search great.
I'm under no illusions but that the 1Ds will be a huge challenge for me, and it might take months to produce anything decent, but I'm patient in that respect. I'm confident that through the Manual, loads of practice, studying terms I don't understand, going to more classes and support from people like yourself, I will make a go of this machine. I only started 2yrs ago with a simple point and shoot, last year a High End Samsung Pro 815. From all these I learned the techniques that worked best for me.
I was taught to always get the best equipment I can afford. Last year it was the Mac Laptop and The Samsung Pro 815. This year, I can concentrate more on the camera.
So far, seeing as the stuff I shoot is miles away, parallax is not a problem. However, if I get a full frame, I might have to re-consider that. There is one advertised here, The Panosaurus, for $75!
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John Houghton
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Re: Difference Between Pano Head and Panning Head?
Posted: 18 Jun 2008 at 17:42 GMT
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tallmanirl said: There is one advertised here, The Panosaurus, for $75!
The 1DsII + lens would be too heavy for a Panosaurus, which has a weight limit of 1.4Kg. The 1DsII body + battery is 1.535Kg. Good L glass is not particularly light.
John
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Pete Loud
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Re: Difference Between Pano Head and Panning Head?
Posted: 18 Jun 2008 at 20:15 GMT
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Make your own. It costs bugger all. All it requires are very basic skills. If I had an eight year old grand-daughter I'd ask her to do one for me when she had a spare hour 
www.peterloud.co.uk/nodalsamurai/nodalsamuraihome...
All my panos are taken with my $2 home-made Nodal Samurai pano-head bracket and a £10 tripod. Check some of them out at the above website.
Oh Yeah, A pano-head is a bit if generic equipment which sits on top of something, (hence head), that rotates in a horizontal plane. Those bits of equipment that allow a camera to rotate about the nodal point of a camera/lens system really ought to have a more precise name.
Cheers,
Pete
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Doug Aurand
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Re: Difference Between Pano Head and Panning Head?
Posted: 18 Jun 2008 at 23:04 GMT
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Fergal
Making the jump from your Samsung (not unlike my Coopix 5400 and even mnore like my 8700) to a Full Frame camera like the 1Ds is a long one.
To be honest, stitching images from a camera like that without a good pano head is almost a waste of the camera.
If you got Canon 40D or even a 5D now the savings would pay for a NN5, 360Precison Adjuste or Kaidan QuickPan Pro compared to the cost of the 1Ds.
Then later you could move up to the 1Ds with the money you make from your work or if the hobby still interestes you.
Again, to be honest, you or almost all of the participants on this site probably couldn't tell the difference between a panoramas shot with the 40D, 5D or 1Ds.
Just trying to save you some money and help you get a better overall setup, intead of putting a US$5000 camera on a $79 rotator.
Its kind of like putting "snow" tires on a Ferrari
Doug Aurand
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bigwade
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Re: Difference Between Pano Head and Panning Head?
Posted: 18 Jun 2008 at 23:20 GMT
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"snow" tires on a Ferrari"
Haha !
@tallmanirl
What is your target ?
Print, large files or what ?
Hardware is just a part and a Canon 1 series is not just fun (had 2)
(Heavy, expensive, dust, sensorbanding, etc,)
Let us know the target.
Have fun !
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Doug Aurand
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Re: Difference Between Pano Head and Panning Head?
Posted: 19 Jun 2008 at 1:27 GMT
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Bigwade
If ya buy a Ferrari and can't afford the Z, X or Y Speed Rated tires....ya shouldn't ought to be buyin' a Ferrari.
Plus...ya just don't drive a Ferrari in the snow
Doug Aurand
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