spyboy
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Location: New Hampton, NH, United States
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Tips with taking a pano with lots of people around
Posted: 4 Jun 2008 at 16:22 GMT
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Most of my panos have been in quiet spaces, with nobody or very few people around.
How would I go about shooting a pano with a large group of people (like an event, parade, etc)? I want to avoid having people cut in half.
I use a NN5 with a Canon 40D, so I take 6 shots around, 1 up, 1 down.
Kirk
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DorinDXN
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Location: Timisoara, Romania
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Re: Tips with taking a pano with lots of people around
Posted: 4 Jun 2008 at 16:41 GMT
updated: 4 Jun 2008 at 16:47 GMT
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Hi Kirk, to avoid having people cut in half, a larger overlap surelly wil help so take 8 around. The greater challenge is to avoid clonning the people, that can also be addresed by anticipate the moving of the people (especially in parade or such) and rotate the pano head against of moving crowd but be quick, rotating against can have as resut some crowd compression.
Dorin
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klausesser
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Re: Tips with taking a pano with lots of people around
Posted: 4 Jun 2008 at 17:33 GMT
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Hans Nyberg showed a very clever way in another thread here.
Use the search function.
best, Klaus
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Mark Schuster
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Re: Tips with taking a pano with lots of people around
Posted: 4 Jun 2008 at 20:14 GMT
updated: 4 Jun 2008 at 20:25 GMT
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Kirk,
Use your usual technique but instead of just 6 around 360 degrees, keep going for another 360 degrees or more. You can then select what you want, rejecting half men and people stepping right in front of the camera. No good for linear parades. By the time you have been round once the show's disappeared down the road. The other thing you'll get, especially if you shoot fast like me, is clones. I quite like them - Dorin doesn't! What he says about plenty of overlap makes sense.
As to the zenith and nadir, your usual method should do but you might need to 'paint' out peoples legs and feet which won't have any corresponding bits in the horizontal row. Just leave a nadir disk large enough to stitch to the rest.
And if you really want to get in among the throng, dump the tripod and shoot handheld! That's what I do.
Mark
PS When all else fails there's always Photoshop for reconstructive surgery to replace missing limbs.
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spyboy
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Location: New Hampton, NH, United States
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Re: Tips with taking a pano with lots of people around
Posted: 4 Jun 2008 at 20:22 GMT
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Thanks for all the good info.
I'm shooting a tent sale for a local business on friday, so it won't be as much moving around as a parade, but there will be people browsing. It's supposed to be a pretty big event, so just wanted to get some ideas before I shoot it.
I'm also going to bring my mast and get some aerials (probably not panos) of the whole crowd.
Kirk
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Mark Schuster
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Re: Tips with taking a pano with lots of people around
Posted: 4 Jun 2008 at 20:28 GMT
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Come to think of it, Kirk. With your experience, you should be the one to be giving us advise. 
Mark
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spyboy
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Re: Tips with taking a pano with lots of people around
Posted: 4 Jun 2008 at 21:33 GMT
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Well, I've shot alot of panos, but nothing really with people. If it was just for fun, I wouldn't care, but this is for a business, so I want to get it right on the first take 
Kirk
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michael przewrocki
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Re: Tips with taking a pano with lots of people around
Posted: 5 Jun 2008 at 13:23 GMT
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lookaround can be rotated quicker than the quickest roundshot. i am in the final stages(filmcutter must be finished)for the first shots. if not very quick roundshot can do.
www.auschwitz.ch.vu
1/60= 4 sec around. 5m film = multiple images. impossible to shoot the groups with dslr. and have afilm-like scenery.
use three widelux 35mm(26mm lens) or three horizons. maybe only 350 degr. possible since camera has 120 degr. no overlapping with 3 cameras.
emil schulthess(famous swiss aeropanorama pioneer) panoposter from dufourspitze/highest swiss mountain was produced with three widelux using an electric/mechanical cable-release. he could also have used a specially constructed mechanical one.
i would wait for new horizon s3-pro-production.3x577 chf is not that expensive for a mechanical rotapancam-system. hopefully with a better lens-design.
michael przewrocki
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michael przewrocki
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Re: Tips with taking a pano with lots of people around
Posted: 6 Jun 2008 at 2:04 GMT
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i forgot voyageur by panomachine-creator gildas lelostec.
28 or 50mm version. no shift and distance settings inside. 28mm shiftlens should certainly useable.
thomas b. kunze of www.tbk.de has a 50mm-version.
michael przewrocki
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irieman
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Re: Tips with taking a pano with lots of people around
Posted: 6 Jun 2008 at 8:40 GMT
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Hi Kirk
Can I recommend my own slightly odd invention? See this thread - www.panoguide.com/forums/tipsntricks/3995/
The advantage is that you can rapidly rotate the camera for minimal crowd movement. The disadvantage is that of course you the operator are visible in the nadir, however with an offset nadir shot and PTGUI viewpoint function you should be able to make yourself invisible.
Bruce
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