emarts
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What is HDVR?
Posted: 12 May 2008 at 14:04 GMT
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I've been reading about High Definition VR photography lately. What exactly is that? Is it just high resolution, or is there more to it?
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Hans Nyberg
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Re: What is HDVR?
Posted: 12 May 2008 at 14:38 GMT
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It is just an self invented expression by a VR photographer who believes that it impresses the clients.
It's called promotion. And americans are crazy with abbreviations. The more difficult it is to understand the meaning, the better.
Do you actually know what OK stands for.
Hans
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emarts
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Re: What is HDVR?
Posted: 12 May 2008 at 14:47 GMT
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So HDVR is nothing more than a full-screen pano?
OK is short for "All Correct." But it was joke that showed that neither the "O" nor the "K" are correct.
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Hans Nyberg
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Re: What is HDVR?
Posted: 12 May 2008 at 15:10 GMT
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As far as I know it is just used by this guy as a name for his product.
www.panofx.com/
There is also a korean photographer using it www.hdvr.org
For OK there seems to be many theories without anyone ever agreed on as the fact.
www.askoxford.com/asktheexperts/faq/aboutwordorig...
For abbreviations in general we in Europe do not at all use them at the extend you do in US. I had a hard time sometimes to understand US English because of it.
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DorinDXN
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Re: What is HDVR?
Posted: 12 May 2008 at 15:21 GMT
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Maybe is something related to some high definition plasma screens, I've been contacted by someone in life not by e-mail and he ask me to do some panos optimised for a giant such display, He used the same aych-dee-vee-är word, He said that will provide me the specification, mean screen resolution, so on, but none so far, I only managed to say that is need for DevalVR for that  , all was about fullscreen.
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emarts
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Re: What is HDVR?
Posted: 12 May 2008 at 15:22 GMT
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Yeah, it seems to be hip to reduce everything down to either its initials or some sort of abbreviation. I remember when FedEx was Federal Express and KFC was Kentucky Fried Chicken.
I think it either started with the military and their incessant abreviations (MRE, RPG, IED) or with advertising (ie, Mickey D).
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Doug Aurand
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Re: What is HDVR?
Posted: 12 May 2008 at 15:23 GMT
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Hans
The Italians were good at abbreviations too
Like GTO (Gran Turismo Omologato) for several models of Ferrari
And Mercedes and BMW (an abbreviation?) have a plethora of abbeviations; SLC, SEL, CS, etc, etc, etc
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DorinDXN
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Re: What is HDVR?
Posted: 12 May 2008 at 15:29 GMT
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BMW = Bayerische Motoren Werke
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Hans Nyberg
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Re: What is HDVR?
Posted: 12 May 2008 at 16:02 GMT
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Actually it stands for High Definition Video Recorder but that has nothing to do with panoramas.
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Dalileis
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Re: What is HDVR?
Posted: 12 May 2008 at 16:06 GMT
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It does raise an interesting question, a quandary If you will.
I wish the VR Photographers all around the world would stop inventing new terms and stick to the unified, properly standardized terminology.
With all due respect.
It´s far from definite and unequivocal at present.
Sometimes I feel silly explaining to the clients that the price for the virtual tour is “per VR”.
What is VR anyways?
Virtual Reality?
It feels stupid stating that the “price per Virtual Reality is…”
Is the term VR really the right term for 360° VR photo?
QTVR, FlashVR etc… same problem.
What do you call one interactive 360° photo?
Sometimes I even find myself actually saying a little something like this:
“Price for the virtual tour is per HQ FULLSCREEN HDR XL 3D 360° photo” (“which also comes in “smaller non-fullscreen, but still HQ HDR 3D 360° photo version”, “for slower conections”).
Now if that doesn´t sound silly, I don´t know what does.
Often I see customers faint before my very eyes. They don’t know how to process this.
Joking aside, this is a serious issue. You can actually see the clients lips slowly moving, forming the silent: “Whaaaaat?”, never saying it aloud, though.
And I understand them.
3D photo is wrong, because that´s something else.
But clients often use this exact expression, because it seems the most natural to them, upon seeing the product.
3D 360° Photo? Getting closer, but it's too long. And 3D is used for that other stuff, with the glasses.
360° VR photo? Alright, actually, I like this one the best, but it still doesn't roll off the tounge, and it's FAR from standardized.
I hope there were an initiative, perhaps from IVRPA, to make the definitive terminology that should be used in the field of 360° virtual reality photography and especially the virtual tours business.
It's actually harming everyone in it professionally, not having these things completely, unambiguously defined in terms that everyone would from that point on be starting to use, including THE CLIENTS themselves. Because of this confusion I often see people asking me about „that thing you can like spin, you know, on the screen, what do you call that...?“
Indeed, what DO we call it?
We call it all kinds of things, as it is today.
Poll on this... On IVRPA, or here, or elsewhere, would be good. Well executed, sound, long term (at least couple of months), high-quality poll. Think about it, isn't it about time?
Also: if you google „virtual tours“ it's often used for something completely different, like regular photos in combo with some text, and organized through some kind of map etc... in order to form a rather simple webpage, which than is called virtual tour. And many Interent users think of THIS, instead of the virtual tours we think about, when we hear/say the expression.
360° virtual tours, right. But it's not being used, because it's much easier to just go: virtual tour.
And now... HDVR.
Should I now also be starting with: HDVR HQ FULLSCREEN HDR XL 3D 360° photo” (“which also comes in “smaller HDVR HQ but still……………………………………………………..)?
ROTFL!
There have even been discussions on the use of “Panographer” instead of simply VR Photographer.
Let's stick to this one at least. So I at least know what to call myself, when someone asks me, „so what do you do...“ If it continues like this I'll soon be saying non-sense like: „Well, actually, I'm a HDVR HQ FULLSCREEN HDR XL 3D 360° VR Ph... „
Bottom line.
We need proper, definite terminology, that rolls of the tongue, sounds good (cool) and is widely accepted and easily recognized by professionals and layman (customers) alike. So everyone interested effortlessly knows exactly what the thing they've seen and want to order is called, and everyone else is calling it the same, no more confusion, panorama this, 360 that.
I suggest:
1 VR photo
1 VR video
2 or more VR photos
2 or more VR videos
And simply:
VR tours (for VR photo tours)
VR video tours (for the future tours containing VR video)
Other suggestions...
1 VR photo could also be 1 VR scene.
1 VR scene
2 or more VR scenes
Or
1 360° scene
2 or more 360° scenes
I also use the term VR scene (virtual reality scene) quite often, and it seems to be easily accepted by clients, rather logical.
These are not perfect, of course, so please feel free to think of something better, just everyone sticks to using it then, once it's been decided and agreed upon by the VR community.
And that's all I had to say about HDVR.
Best regards,
Anonymous HDVR HQ FULLSCREEN HDR XL 3D 360° VR Photographer...... (which alse does smaller versions.... #!$°×§@%
///Dalileis
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emarts
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Re: What is HDVR?
Posted: 12 May 2008 at 16:18 GMT
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I simply call myself a Commercial Real Estate Photographer. Sometimes I go further and say that I specialize in Immersive Photography.
VR seems a bit misleading to me. I like 360º but I have trouble sometimes remembering what key combination makes the degree symbol.
Instead of HD, I think I will just call it High-Quality, Full-Screen.
I also like the term Virtual Tour and I use the word "Scene" rather than nodes (which I've heard others use). But I use Virtual Tour only to describe a full tour and not individual images.
I don't like Panographer, because I think you're forever explaining what that is. Real Estate Photographer or Architectural Photographer sounds better. Or even Fine Art Panoramic Photographer sounds better to me. Not to mention Panographer sounds too close to Pornographer.
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Smooth
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Re: What is HDVR?
Posted: 12 May 2008 at 16:18 GMT
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You totally forgot:
Panorama and Virtual Tour
I think you are just making life hard for yourself.
Regards, Smooth 
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Dalileis
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Re: What is HDVR?
Posted: 12 May 2008 at 16:32 GMT
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Well. This just proves my point perfectly.
Which BTW has lots of irony in it, if you've happened to have missed it, and I don't know how you could have.
Anyways: Commercial Real Estate Photographer is not nailing the specific kind of photography we are talking about. Many Commercial Real Estate Photographers don't do VR at all, so that's a goner. Sorry. 
"I like 360º but I have trouble sometimes remembering what key combination makes the degree symbol."
I agree with you on that. What's more important: customers have even more trouble with that.
Rest of the comments just prove the point that there are too many people using too many different expressions for the same thing.
Panoramas I don't like at all. Panorama a.k.a pano is for me equirectangular projection of 1 360° VR scene, NOT the VR scene itself. You are not wrapped inside a panorama, or better said, it shouldn't be used for that, since traditionally it has been used for something else. Two differnet things should not be called the same names, this is adding to the confusion.
On virtual tours, you've missed the point why I brought it up. It's being used in many cases for something completely different. I use it, you use it, but other people around the globe use it for something distinctly separate.
Best regards,
/Dalileis
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emarts
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Re: What is HDVR?
Posted: 12 May 2008 at 16:42 GMT
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You're right Commercial Real Estate Photographer is not specific for VR. But then again, I don't want to be specific to VR. Many of my clients aren't initially looking for a VR photographer. They want someone to take pictures of their property. Then I suggest immersive photography and they ask about it. If I use the term VR photography, my clients think they already know what that is, when in fact, they don't.
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