Mark Schuster
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Enfused?
Posted: 5 Apr 2008 at 16:04 GMT
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No I didn't forget to wind the film on. Joke over - as if anyone laughed. Entering the digital world:
I thought EnfuseGUI could be the next best thing to bracketing. And it certainly worked with just one pair of images: One image +1 stop converted from RAW, and the other -1 stop, resulting in an image with an apparent greater dynamic range: detail in shadows, fluffy clouds in a blue sky - loverly. But when I tried the same sort of thing with a complete set of seven images, taken for a panorama, the above is an example of what I got.
Therefore two questions.
1. How can I get EnfuseGUI to match up and combine two sets of images, one dark and the other bright?
2. What other solutions are available - for free?
Mark
PS I know I could get the desired result with one pair of images at a time, but that would just make to longer.
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Hans Nyberg
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Re: Enfused?
Posted: 5 Apr 2008 at 16:12 GMT
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I assume you use Ingemar Bergmarks Gui.
I am pretty sure that somewhere in it there is a setup for batching which has a setting where you tell it if you have sets of 2, 3 or more.
Remember that PTGui Pro also now has Fusing in addition to the HDR.
Hans
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John Houghton
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Re: Enfused?
Posted: 5 Apr 2008 at 17:57 GMT
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Mark, For batching, you can use Erik Krause's Enfuse droplets. With all the files to be enfused in a folder, you drag'n'drop the folder onto the "auto enfuse" shortcut icon you create on the desktop. The linked .bat file then takes the first lot of images and enfuses them, stopping when the exif data in the next file indicates that the exposure value has returned to that of the first file. This signals the start of a new set. The process is repeated until the supply of files is exhausted. It's simple and works well. Download from:
www.erik-krause.de/enfuse_droplets.zip
John
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Terrywoodenpic
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Re: Enfused?
Posted: 5 Apr 2008 at 21:38 GMT
updated: 5 Apr 2008 at 21:41 GMT
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tufuse is free (command line)
Or Tufusion adds a Gui to the basic tufuse.
Tufuse Pro has a price and a lovely Gui. You can try it for free but it carries a watermark.
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John Houghton
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Re: Enfused?
Posted: 5 Apr 2008 at 21:53 GMT
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Mark, I lost sight of the fact that you were enfusing pairs of images generated from single RAW files. These can also be batched with one of Erik's droplets, but the it will ask you how many images are in each set (2) rather than working it out automatically. This is explained in the readme file.
John
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Keith Mackey
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Mark Schuster
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Re: Enfused?
Posted: 6 Apr 2008 at 12:59 GMT
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Hans,
Yes Ingemar Bergmark's Gui. Until you pointed it out didn't know what was meant by blend count, but now I've changed it from default 3 to 2. So in the middle of the night, as usual, I tested this and – it didn’t work! Mind you under the tab Enfuse options are lots of choices, but I don’t understand what they mean. As to fusing with PTGui, I don’t think version 5 includes this. Perhaps need version 7.
John,
I’ve tried various of Erik Kause’s batch files, without success. Infact without anything except error messages complaining about lack of EXIF data. As to resetting 3 to 2 brackets, I can’t figure out how.
Terry,
I registered with Tufuse/Tufusion and await an authorization e-mail.
Keith,
Bracketeer sounds catchy, but I’m a PC/Vista user, so it’s not for me.
All,
I feel out of my depth in all this. Of course an alternative to artificial bracketing from RAW files would be bracketing with the camera. The trouble with this, for me at anyhow, is the rate of transferring three times the number of RAW files to memory. However, if I get the white balance and the exposure approximately right, then I suppose JPEGs would do. Much faster to transfer.
I’ve not given up, and I still am to download Tufuse/Tufusion and anything elso you may suggest.
Thanks all,
Mark
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Hans Nyberg
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Re: Enfused?
Posted: 6 Apr 2008 at 13:36 GMT
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Mark Schuster said: Hans,
Yes Ingemar Bergmark's Gui. Until you pointed it out didn't know what was meant by blend count, but now I've changed it from default 3 to 2. So in the middle of the night, as usual, I tested this and – it didn’t work! Mind you under the tab Enfuse options are lots of choices, but I don’t understand what they mean. As to fusing with PTGui, I don’t think version 5 includes this. Perhaps need version 7.
Mark
My guess would be that you do not have the names of the files in order.
If you are using the same Raw with different outputs they have to be named in a way that the Gui will choose as continuous.
As for PTGui fusing it is a PTGui Pro version 7.7- option.
Hans
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John Houghton
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Re: Enfused?
Posted: 6 Apr 2008 at 18:38 GMT
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Mark Schuster said: I’ve tried various of Erik Kause’s batch files, without success. Infact without anything except error messages complaining about lack of EXIF data. As to resetting 3 to 2 brackets, I can’t figure out how.
Mark, As it's complaining about lack of exif data, did you check to see what exif data was actually present in the files you generated? With Photoshop, this is File->File Info->Advanced->Exif Properties.
I just did a test doing what you are trying to do and had no trouble. The droplets were copied into the same folder as Enblend and Enfuse, as per instructions. Then I created a new folder containing two pairs of images to be enfused, generated with ACR. I appended -h and -s to the filenames to distinguish the highlight and shadow versions of each image generated from the two RAW images. I created a shortcut on the desktop to the enfuse droplet.bat file located in c:\Program Files\enblend\bin. When I dropped the folder of images to be enblended onto the shortcut, I was asked how many images per set and I entered 2. It then carried on to generate the two enfused images ok.
John
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Mark Schuster
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John Houghton
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Re: Enfused?
Posted: 7 Apr 2008 at 6:12 GMT
updated: 7 Apr 2008 at 6:14 GMT
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Mark, There are no electical connections between the Rokkor and the Canon body, therefore the camera cannot know anything about the lens settings. The Sigma is fully compatible with the 40D and its settings appear in the exif data.
Your enfused panorama is much better than the original version.
John
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Skridlov
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Re: Enfused?
Posted: 7 Apr 2008 at 15:44 GMT
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Hi Mark
Compared to the other contributors I know little! However I have played about a lot with Enfuse recently and I can make a few comments from my own experience which may help.
Firstly, I am using the Erik Krause droplets (mainly enfuse_droplet.bat). The first thing I would say is that you are not the only person seeing error messages. It throws them up continually. Most seem to have no impact on the output whatsoever (or at least I can't detect any).
I am mostly shooting in churches and usually bracket up to 7 exposures (I have even used 9) to get round the limitations of my D200's bracketing software. My workflow for Enfuse is as follows:
I convert the entire series RAW > 16 bit TIFF, with appropriate corrections. I then select 2- 5 of the exposures, depending on the conditions, and create a subfolder containing these and drag this folder to the Enfuse droplet. Then enter the number of shots per bracket sequence followed by "enter".
Without exception Enfuse then complains "file not found", but immediately gets on with munching the sets. During the process it continually complains about unrecognised exif fields etc - without any negative consequence that I can see. For some reason the files it produces derived from 16 bit sources don't render perfectly in Windows Explorer - not a big problem unles it's symptomatic of something I don't know about.
I had assumed that CS2 Bridge was somehow scrambling the metadata and causing Exiftool to get confused, but whether I use JPEGS or TIFFs, with or without any pre-processing, Enfuse generates the same complaints. The results, even at the defaults, look pretty good most of the time to me anyway.
On thing I have tried is Enfusing a different number of bracket shots for different shots in the sequence - otherwise with some images which have predominantly underexposed shots the resulting Enfused output is dark and noisy. PTGUI/Smartblend doesn't seem to have too much trouble with blending the results.
I too have downloaded the Ingemar Bergemark EnfuseGUI app, but I have yet to find some general information on how to make good use of its variables.
If anyone knows what the Enfuse/Exiftool metadata problem is I'd like to know, particularly if it's significant in ways I don't understand. I think I reported it but without response.
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Mark Schuster
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Re: Enfused?
Posted: 8 Apr 2008 at 22:27 GMT
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Skridlov,
After a few failed attempts I have succeeded in getting Enfuse to work, not with Erik Krause's - I'll have another go at that later - but with the Gui of Ingamar Bergmark.
However, like you imply, the resulting 'Enfused' TIFFs loose all EXIF data so this needs to be entered manually in Autopano Pro as it needs to know the focal length and crop factor of the camera. (Don't know about other applications)
I have a lot more questions about bracketing and fusing but will keep these for another day.
Thanks all who replied.
Mark
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mhc1
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Re: Enfused?
Posted: 12 Apr 2008 at 7:57 GMT
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Hm it´s an old thread but Mark:
I installed TuFuse in my "Send-To" directory and ist works very good. Not perfect for all but if I compare the results with a couple of other I like it very much.
Handling can nor be easie: select files - right mouseclick- sendto- TuFuse --> that´s it.
Parameters in the batch file are not as easy to change in that process, but you count make differenet batches for differenet situations.
No image alignment (as enfuse).
You could read the batch and easyliy make one for enfuse alike.
ciao
mike
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