irieman
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Location: East Sussex, United Kingdom
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Flash delivery
Posted: 14 Feb 2008 at 10:28 GMT
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I'm facing up to the inevitable and I am going to have to start producing panoramas displayed via Flash.
I'm on Mac OS 10.4, have Pleinpot and I really have a hard time with complex coding so suggestions for a relatively pain free work flow much appreciated.
TIA
Bruce
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Doug Aurand
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Re: Flash delivery
Posted: 14 Feb 2008 at 15:41 GMT
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irieman
Why do you feel you have to deliver virtual images via Flash?
The 2 biggest industries that buy virtual tours, real estate and hotels/resorts, still predominantly use Java viewers.
Doug Aurand
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irieman
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Re: Flash delivery
Posted: 14 Feb 2008 at 17:13 GMT
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Hi Doug
We have had this conversation over on the IVRPA forum where you very helpfully educated me to the benefits of Java - and I'm not discounting it. I should have said that I am going to have to use Flash and Java - but Java I've more or less got sorted, it's Flash where I am all at sea.
Best
Bruce
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Doug Aurand
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Re: Flash delivery
Posted: 14 Feb 2008 at 18:46 GMT
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Bruce
I'm curious...have you had customers requesting Flash or are you trying to be prepared before they do?
Doug Aurand
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irieman
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Re: Flash delivery
Posted: 14 Feb 2008 at 19:23 GMT
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Doug Aurand wrote - I'm curious...have you had customers requesting Flash or are you trying to be prepared before they do?
Hi Doug
Not quite - I'm still getting problems with those who are unable to access QT - which really does surprise me in this day and age but there it is, and I am getting requests for more content in tours, as opposed to individual panoramas which has been what I have done up until now. It just happens that I have a colleague who is good at programming Flash so I thought that there might be a good fit if we worked together.
I suppose the way forward is to offer as many solutions as possible - I just wish that the industry would settle down and decide on a universal solution but instead the viewers etc just seem to proliferate. 
Best
Bruce
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bigwade
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Re: Flash delivery
Posted: 14 Feb 2008 at 20:04 GMT
updated: 14 Feb 2008 at 20:07 GMT
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Hi Bruce
pano2vr will do the job and you can use these .swf files with Pleinpot or others.
Have Fun!
example: tinyurl.com/2tredk
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Doug Aurand
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Re: Flash delivery
Posted: 14 Feb 2008 at 20:26 GMT
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Bruce
Sounds like a good plan.
I just got some more info to add to the Java Type Viewer vs. other viewers debate.
My webmaster set my website, www.VirtualAlbuquerque.com, up with Google Analytics.
After about a month, one of the reports shows 98% of the visitors have Java Enabled.
It also shows what version of Flash they have the total is almost the same.
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bigwade
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Re: Flash delivery
Posted: 14 Feb 2008 at 21:47 GMT
updated: 14 Feb 2008 at 21:49 GMT
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@Doug
irieman asks for a FLASH solution and not Java.
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irieman
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Re: Flash delivery
Posted: 14 Feb 2008 at 21:59 GMT
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bigwade wrote - pano2vr will do the job and you can use these .swf files with Pleinpot or others.
I'll check it out Frank - very nice pano BTW
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Bruce
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Doug Aurand
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Re: Flash delivery
Posted: 14 Feb 2008 at 22:12 GMT
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Bruce
Let us know how it works.
I know I'm going to have a website developer who will want the virtual tour in Flash sooner or later and haven't gotten started learning how to deliver it that way like you.
Doug Aurand
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Hans Nyberg
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Re: Flash delivery
Posted: 14 Feb 2008 at 22:45 GMT
updated: 14 Feb 2008 at 22:49 GMT
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Doug Aurand said: Bruce
My webmaster set my website, www.VirtualAlbuquerque.com, up with Google Analytics.
After about a month, one of the reports shows 98% of the visitors have Java Enabled.
Doug Aurand
Albuquerque, NM
Doug
Java in Google Analytics means Javascript,
There is no Stat for Java machine.
Latest stats for Java are around 83% but you have to understand that this is all Java versions and Java panorama applets do not work perfect with all of them.
Hans
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Doug Aurand
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guys at Google probably know the differva ReportRe: Flash delivery
Posted: 15 Feb 2008 at 0:31 GMT
updated: 15 Feb 2008 at 0:56 GMT
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Hans
On Google Analytics, Visitors, Browser Profile: are the following choices; browsers, operating systems, browser and operating systems, screen colors, screen resolutions, java support, Flash
When I click on Java Support the report reads;
Java Support
Yes 99.22% 15,799
No .78% 124
Under "About this Report" is the following;
About this Report
Is Java supported on your visitors' platforms? Optimizing your site for the appropriate technical capabilities helps make your site more engaging and usable, which can lead to higher conversion rates and more sales.
They don't use "javascript" anywhere and I think the guys at Google probably know the difference.
I also use an Ad Serving company, www.AdSpeed.com, that provides a Techical Tracking Report that provides information about the visitor's Browser, Operating System, User Agents, Cookies, Java and Screen.
The Java report shows "Java Enabled" 100%.
I don't think they're referring to "javascript" either.
They're referring to Java Virtual Machine.
You're referring to that highly questionable Flash Survey that Macromedia started and Adobe has taken over.
The Google Analytics breakdown of which version of Flash the visitors have is kind of interesting too. The total is 99.97% of visitors.
Basically, they're providing the much of the information a web designer would want to know to help design a user friendly website.
Based on the 15,000 plus visitors to www.VirtualAlbuquerque.com since we installed Google Analytics in January, Flash and Java have equal and near complete market penetration.
Doug Aurand
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puzz
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Re: guys at Google probably know the differva ReportRe: Flash delivery
Posted: 15 Feb 2008 at 9:20 GMT
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Doug Aurand said: When I click on Java Support the report reads;
Java Support
Yes 99.22% 15,799
No .78% 124
99.22% as a number is too big to be true. First of all google analytics tell you the data only for the users who have javascript enabled (most but not all). Second, it don't tell you which version of java jre is installed - because javascript on some browsers can't detect it. And, this statistic count even MS java: Many, especially older PCs, have Microsoft VM installed by default. Microsoft VM is version 1.1.4 and very buggy and slow. (Many java-based panorama viewers need at least version 1.3+).
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Hans Nyberg
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Re: guys at Google probably know the differva ReportRe: Flash delivery
Posted: 15 Feb 2008 at 9:24 GMT
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I am sorry Doug but I have to dissapoint you.
Analytics only check the Java Support (Browser Capabilities)
This does not mean that the JVM is installed. It just means that it is not disabled in the browser pref.
Default it's true, even when the JVM is not installed.
Hans
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Hans Nyberg
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Re: guys at Google probably know the differva ReportRe: Flash delivery
Posted: 15 Feb 2008 at 9:54 GMT
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To detct the JVM you have to use some real applications for it.
You can not do it with asimple javascript like Google Analytics.
Here is aguy who has done his own test
www.realchat.com/blog/java-vs-flash/
56% JAVA
It was done in April 2006 after Microsoft stopped distributing Java,
Hans
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