Maestro Maestro
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Using 3 Hemi w-panoweaver legal in US?
Posted: 21 Aug 2004 at 0:42 GMT
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Wow, still confused by the whole iPIX thing. If I use their equipment, but take 3 shots, and process with panoweaver, is this legal?
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No One
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I do not believe so.
Posted: 21 Aug 2004 at 12:56 GMT
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And there's yet another wrinkel for those of us in the US. iPix "patents" on stitching fisheye images togethor are not valid and have no validity as someone else, Ford Oxaal has a prior patent and his web site says he intends to enforce it. He's already setteled with iPix and has his own product called ClickAway in public beta. I found it personally better than PanoVue. And note, unless PanoVue has setteled with Ford Oxall, it's illegal to use it in the US. In fact any stitching of fisheye shots with any product otherthan ClickAway or iPix is illegal in the US unless they have settled with Ford Oxxal's company.
Ford Oxall's site is www.pictosphere.com
It's a wonderful word, I like stitchers that work with non-fisheye lenses thereby avoiding all of this crazy license fees and legal issues.
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James Rigg
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No One
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Re: I do not believe so.
Posted: 22 Aug 2004 at 14:30 GMT
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Yes, sorry about that, so many products too little time 
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Richard
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Re: I do not believe so.
Posted: 22 Aug 2004 at 15:21 GMT
updated: 22 Aug 2004 at 15:23 GMT
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So, for those of us who are new to this:
Fisheye stitching (or, 'clicking' as it appears on Robert's site) is the limit of the legal issue we are discussing?
Parabolic, one-shot lenses, or the processing or use of them are not hindered; as far as anyone knows???
Do I have that right?
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No One
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Re: I do not believe so.
Posted: 23 Aug 2004 at 1:18 GMT
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Parabolic mirrors are not fisheye lenses in any way. The best single shot mirror shoots at best 105 degrees of vertical. No issue with iPIX or Ford from any issues I'm aware of.
iPix and now Ford seems to only get upset if your image spands 180 degrees of vertical by 360 horizontal and was produced using a fisheye lense.
I have Nothing to do with this issue, nor the companies or products involved - I don't use any of them and I am not a laywer, nor any kind of legal authority on this issue.
This is just my 2 cents on this absurd subject.
Use a very wide angle lense, just not a fisheye. You'll get much better images. If your shooting realestate VT's, use a mirror - it's just so much faster and ultimately better for both you and the agent.
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Richard
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Re: I do not believe so.
Posted: 23 Aug 2004 at 3:23 GMT
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Thank you.
I understand the disclaimer. It's not the world of a couple of decades ago. It was more fun then.
If looking for quality, as compared to price, any input you be able to share regarding some that should be considered?
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No One
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Re: I do not believe so.
Posted: 23 Aug 2004 at 12:28 GMT
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Not sure what your looking for?
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Maestro Maestro
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Re: Using 3 Hemi w-panoweaver legal in US?
Posted: 23 Aug 2004 at 17:32 GMT
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Well, I've got some answers and I thought I would share. Thank you for your message.
As you know the patent issue is a little bit messy.
Ipix and Ford Oxaal are in a matted lawsuit. Please see
www.pictosphere.com/kwx/news.html .
Nobody knows who on earth owns the patent.
You can use 3 fisheye stitching instead of 2 fisheye images
stitching with Panoweaver 3.01 Professional Edition, which has nothing
to do with the patent issue. Please rest assured that none of our
customers is involved in this issue now.
Another method to avoid it is to post the panoramas with Cubic panoramas
(QTVR5, MGI pano and VRML formats).
As far as I can see from their patents, nothing about cubic panorama
,cubic vr and cubic movie have ever been mentioned in their patents.
You can also have a look at their patents at:
patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sec....html&r=4&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=ptxt&s1=immersive&s2=fisheye&OS=immersive+AND+fisheye&RS=immersive+AND+fisheye
Please read the following Cubic panorama related Links for more information:
Making Environment Maps from Fisheye Photographs (in an IPIX free manner)
www.panoscan.com/CubicDemos/CubicFaq.html (Cubic VR FAQ)
Whenever you have any problem, please do not hesitate to contact us.
Best regards,
Jane
Easypano sales
sales@easypano.com
After working with 0-360, fisheye images and a kaidan pano head (stiching 20
images) I've come to the conclusion that the first two give you about the
same resolution, fisheye a little better. The stiching, multiple rows does
give the best clarity and resolution. It's what I always tell my students,
there are no shortcuts, if it takes longer it is usually better.
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karbo
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Re: Using 3 Hemi w-panoweaver legal in US?
Posted: 16 Sep 2004 at 23:29 GMT
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Agreed on the multi-row. More work but far worth it once you have your workflow down.
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PeterDk
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Re: Using 3 Hemi w-panoweaver legal in US?
Posted: 9 Oct 2004 at 17:23 GMT
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Good information! By the way, isn't the post referencing the US patent a link to the video panorama patent page?
patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sec....html&r=4&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=ptxt&s1=immersive&s2=fisheye&OS=immersive+AND+fisheye&RS=immersive+AND+fisheye
...rather than the image patent?
Peter
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