Andrey Ilyin
Posts: 642
Location: Moscow,
Registered: 8 Dec 2004
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michael przewrocki
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Location: basel, Switzerland
Registered: 19 Nov 2004
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Re: SPi-V - cool feature
Posted: 14 Dec 2005 at 21:08 GMT
updated: 14 Dec 2005 at 21:12 GMT
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wow, its unbelievable. i could install shockwave in restricted mode. maybe its an error and it WAS already installed and was only asking private informations.
to your panorama: now you understand why i am shooting rotating panoramas-above all when showing people. no distortions. if converted to equirectangular(see a link to a new-not cheap software somewhere here) no distortions of humans at outer-zones. sorry i cannot show now. i am behind timeline of my projects. two horizon-shots can provide 200° or more already. ho 202 has quicker rotation for the longer exposures(1/2, 1/4 and 1/8) than ho s3-pro, which has more exposure times but drumspeed is slower.
a new horizon with unperforated 35mm-film with 20 or 18mm would be fine. lets wait for voyageur 20-105mm/120.
aha, a lot of money around. i hope they pay you good. btw: forget canon 5d for superwideangles. they are not sharp in the corners. like some supersharp zeiss on this FF-camera.
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Jakob Norstedt-Moberg
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Location: Örnsköldsvik, Sweden
Registered: 8 Nov 2004
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Re: SPi-V - cool feature
Posted: 14 Dec 2005 at 21:29 GMT
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Very nice panos, Andrey, but they are very memory and CPU consuming on my PC (XP sp2, 2GByte). Something seems to bee looping. Is that just on mine?
Jakob
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Andrey Ilyin
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Location: Moscow,
Registered: 8 Dec 2004
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Re: SPi-V - cool feature
Posted: 14 Dec 2005 at 21:52 GMT
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Jakob,
XP SP1, Athlon XP2000+ 1Gb - a lot of free CPU and memory. And I simultaneously speak by skype 
Should be something wrong with your PC, I guess.
Andrey
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Jakob Norstedt-Moberg
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Location: Örnsköldsvik, Sweden
Registered: 8 Nov 2004
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Re: SPi-V - cool feature
Posted: 15 Dec 2005 at 7:01 GMT
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Andrey,
It allocated more than 400MB of memory, and the CPU usage was constantly above 50%. I tried it on my portable as well (also with SP2) and it allocated 250MB, also with the CPU spinning. Am I really the only one experiencing this?
I must admit I haven't tried SPi-V before, so maybe it is a general SPi-V problem on my computers? Any clue?
Jakob
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Andrey Ilyin
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Location: Moscow,
Registered: 8 Dec 2004
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Re: SPi-V - cool feature
Posted: 15 Dec 2005 at 8:03 GMT
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I can raise this question on SPi-V support forum and report here. It willl take some time, I guess - SPi-V forum isn't very active.
A.
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Smooth
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Location: Mount Panorama, Australia
Registered: 21 Jul 2004
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Re: SPi-V - cool feature
Posted: 15 Dec 2005 at 8:59 GMT
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day_night.html?
Looks to be day_day.html to me. (Different angles)
Is it just you are using the Day Night SPi-V Day Night code?
Pano's nice as always! (bit bodgie on the floor patching)
Regards, Smooth 
www.smooth360.com
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Mark Houston
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Location: Ferndale, Michigan, United States
Registered: 23 Aug 2005
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Re: SPi-V - cool feature
Posted: 15 Dec 2005 at 11:00 GMT
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Nicely Done!
Great work as always Andrey.
The pano works fine on both my XP machines.
One thing no scroll bar for the page when viewed with Fire Fox.
Keep up the great work.
Mark Houston
360Michigan
www.360michigan.net
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GURL
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Location: Grenoble / Isère, France
Registered: 7 May 2004
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Re: SPi-V - cool feature
Posted: 15 Dec 2005 at 13:25 GMT
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Usually, SPi-V is smoother (not so shaky).
Possible reasons:
- Andrey used an "experimental feature"
- dealing with 2 images (rather than a single one) makes things slower
- Andrey neglected the "power of two" rule, that is:
512, 1024, 2048, etc pixel sizes are very fast.
Something like 1536 (= 1024 + 512) is rather fast.
Prime numbers pixel sizes are terrible.
SPi-V uses your video card and above all uses your video card "video memory". SPi-V is for gamers which like panos? SPi-V is for pano photographers which like games?
My answer: you can't avoid buying one such card, installing a slower card on your (new) computer would cost you much more! On peut pas arréter le progrès!
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Jakob Norstedt-Moberg
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Location: Örnsköldsvik, Sweden
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Re: SPi-V - cool feature
Posted: 15 Dec 2005 at 21:32 GMT
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This may be the reason for my problems. My PCs are good, with plenty of RAM etc, but I have never put much attention to the video cards since I am not a gamer. QuickTime fullscreens work well on my machines.
But if this is the reason I think something is wrong with how SPi-V is designed. It should not lock up the PC but feel that the graphics card is insufficient and behave in a controlled manner. But as I said, I have never really been engaged in SPi-V before, so I shouldn't have too much opinions.
Jakob
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fiero
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Location: DevalVR developer, Spain
Registered: 6 Jul 2005
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Re: SPi-V - cool feature
Posted: 15 Dec 2005 at 22:08 GMT
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The SPi-V viewer uses the 3D engine of Macromedia Shockwave. This engine works well with 3D accelerated cards, but the software emulation engine is not very good (slow). In my laptop (no 3D card) this example consumes 208MB of ram (normal for 2 high quality panos stored at 32bpp). The Shockwave engine redraws the image all the time, too if the image does not move, for this reason, it takes all CPU resources. I don't know if in Shockwave the redraw can be used only when the image moves.
I like this viewer  . It can make some very interesting effects.
regards
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michael przewrocki
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Location: basel, Switzerland
Registered: 19 Nov 2004
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Re: SPi-V - cool feature
Posted: 15 Dec 2005 at 22:36 GMT
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i have amd 1.7 gb, 512 mb ddr-ram, sapphire radeon 9200 atlantis, 128mb ram. dual-screen option. is working fantastic.
andrey wanted to show that we could use day and night-time-dual-panoramas. how about integrating this feature to display on dual-monitors(two monitors side by side)? one showing nighttime, the other daytime-panorama. a simple solution is eighter impossible or not easy to implement. i am no expert.
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michael przewrocki
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Location: basel, Switzerland
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Re: SPi-V - cool feature
Posted: 15 Dec 2005 at 22:42 GMT
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i was wrong. macromedia shockwaver player(plugin) needs administrator rights.
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michael przewrocki
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Location: basel, Switzerland
Registered: 19 Nov 2004
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Re: SPi-V - cool feature
Posted: 15 Dec 2005 at 23:00 GMT
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THIS IS DEFINITE TRUTH OF MACROMEDIA SHOCKWAVE PLAYER(tested in FF): if in restricted account plugin is telling that administrator-rights are needed. this is wrong:
main-user is the minimum-like devalvr.
now i will check iexplorer.
JAVA: i had a strange behavior. for other reasons i had to remove java-engine. in FF i could not run it but in IE it still worked... i am puzzled. i am not sure if java can be installed in restricted-account-mode.
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michael przewrocki
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Location: basel, Switzerland
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Re: SPi-V - cool feature-shockwave-installation
Posted: 15 Dec 2005 at 23:12 GMT
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macromedia shockwave player plugin can be installed in restricted account PLUS Internet explorer. tested in win2k
FF: at least as main-user.
this means: shockwave is an important nose-lenghts ahead devalvr.
this is a real challenge for DEVALVR to be installed in both ie and ff in restricted account-mode. for those not familiar with account and security. surfing as administrator only for windowsupdates, surfing as main-user only when other installations have no other choice. most secure surfing: as user in restricted mode.
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