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John Houghton

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Re: First 360 pano :)
Posted: 24 Oct 2013 at 20:55 GMT
For 6 shots max on Canon APS-C you could use one of the following:

Samyang 8mm fisheye (also sold under several other brand names such as Rokinon, Vivitar, Falcon, .... )
Sigma 8mm fisheye
Canon 8-15mm fisheye

The Samyang is by far the cheapest, but with 5 shots around + Z, it would need an extra shot for the nadir, making 7 in total.

John
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Alma

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Re: First 360 pano :)
Posted: 30 Oct 2013 at 6:25 GMT
It's a useful discussion.
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Anaconda

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Re: First 360 pano :)
Posted: 30 Oct 2013 at 10:45 GMT
Samyang 8mm fisheye - 250£ - manual focus :/
Sigma 8mm fisheye - 600£
Canon 8-15mm fisheye - 1000£ most useful but price wink

all of them can be use for full frame if i will buy in future? for example for 5D?
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Smooth

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Re: First 360 pano :)
Posted: 30 Oct 2013 at 11:00 GMT
updated: 30 Oct 2013 at 11:03 GMT
When shooting with a Fisheye you will pretty much only use one maybe two focus positions so manual focus is fine.

All can be used on APS-C sensor and all can be used on full frame sensor although you will waste a lot of pixels to black using a Sigma 8mm or the 8-15mm at 8mm.

Should you go with the Samyang you must purchased the CSII version with twist off sun hood (for use on a 5D full frame sensor camera). The best option on both camera sensor sizes is the Canon 8-15mm Fisheye but at 8mm on the APS-C and 12mm on the FF. Of course higher focal lengths on either will require more shots and offer improved resolution.

For price and compatibility the Samyang 8mm CSII is likely the best option. I wouldn't be happy with a Sigma 8mm on a FF, yet it is ideal on an APS-C camera for minimal shots required and good quality.

You also have the option of the Tokina 10-17mm Zoom Fisheye. (These are available with and without sun hood) if you were to use on a FF you want the version without.

Regards, Smooth cool
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Anaconda

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Re: First 360 pano :)
Posted: 30 Nov 2013 at 14:26 GMT
Hello

Finally I collected around 300 pounds for new lens but I wonder is fisheye good choice for me? I mean if I could buy maybe 10mm-20mm lens then I could use it for panoramas and also for photography/video. Fisheye have big distortion so isn't too much universal. Which NOT fisheye lenses are also dedidacted for panos and suit to Canon body? How good is their image quality? thank you for all advices smile
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Smooth

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Re: First 360 pano :)
Posted: 30 Nov 2013 at 14:46 GMT
You might like the Samyang 14mm Wide Angle Lens.
Again a manual lens but high quality and nicely priced.

It can be used for panoramas and wide shooting.
Or as you mentioned save more cash and look at the 10-20mm, 17-40mm or Sigma 8-16mm many options are available.

Regards, Smooth cool
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Anaconda

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Re: First 360 pano :)
Posted: 30 Nov 2013 at 15:07 GMT
updated: 30 Nov 2013 at 15:22 GMT
I have only one lens for my Canon 18-135mm. Samyang 14mm in not so far from 18mm. I probably would prefer something 10-22mm where I can use wide 10mm view. What do you think about this range for Canon?

Samyang 14mm www.dpreview.com/forums/post/38089983

Sigma 10-20mm f/4-5.6 EX DC
www.dpreview.com/lensreviews/sigma_10-20_4-5p6_n1...

Sigma 8-16mm too expensive - above 500 pounds
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Anaconda

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Re: First 360 pano :)
Posted: 1 Dec 2013 at 12:20 GMT
What do you think about these choices ultra wide angle lenses. Which one is worth to buy. I would like use this lens for 360 panoramas, photography and videos and keep it with my main lens 18-135mm. Which one from belows will give me best quality and general usage? Thank you for all advices smile

1) Canon EF-S 10-22mm f/3.5-4.5 USM - £400 - 17 photos for 360 panorama

www.simplyelectronics.net/mainproduct.php?pid=609...

Recommended: N, 4 images every 90° at -60° pitch, 8 images every 45° at 0° pitch, 4 images every 90° at +60° pitch, no zenith image required

2) Sigma 8-16mm f/4.5-5.6 DC HSM - £420 - how many photos for 360 panorama?

www.onestop-digital.com/index.php?dispatch=produc....view&product_id=33770&gclid=COihk47vjrsCFYzItAodK3gAYg

how many photos require for panorama?

3) Sigma 10-20mm f/3.5 EX DC HSM - £400 - 17 photos for 360 panorama

www.jessops.com/online.store/products/77913/Show.....5%20EX%20DC%20HSM%20Lens%20-%20Canon%20EF-S&gclid=CK_05rXxjrsCFRLMtAodwmkAcg

Recommended (1.5x, 1.6x): N, 4 images every 90° at -60° pitch, 8 images every 45° at 0° pitch, 4 images every 90° at +60° pitch, no zenith image required

4) SAMYANG 14 mm f / 2.8 IF ED UMC - £290 - 17 photos for 360 panorama

www.ukdigital.co.uk/samyang-14mm-f2-8-lens-canon-...

Minimum: (1.5x, 1.6x): N, 8 images every 45° at -30° pitch, 8 images every 45° at +30° pitch, zenith at +90° pitch

5) Tokina AT-X 116 PRO DX 11-16mm f/2.8 - £340 - how many photos for 360 panorama?

slrhut.co.uk/product/ID354C11/google?k_clickid=67...

how many photos require for panorama?

6) Tokina AF 12-24mm f/4 AT-X 124 Pro DX MkII - £300 - 18 photos for 360 panorama

www.hdewcameras.co.uk/tokina-at-x-124-af-pro-dx-a...

Minimum (1.5x, 1.6x): N, 8 images every 45° at -30° pitch, 8 images every 45° at +30°, Z

thanx for all advices smile
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Anaconda

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Re: First 360 pano :)
Posted: 4 Dec 2013 at 10:02 GMT
updated: 4 Dec 2013 at 10:07 GMT
Hi again smile

I reduced my choice to:

1) Canon EF-S 10-22mm f/3.5-4.5 USM

or

2) Tokina AT-X 116 PRO DXII 11-16mm f/2.8

How guys do you think which one is better choice and why? Which one of these has better image quality and smaller distortion because main solution for my new lens will be interior panoramas, short videos and general real estate photography

thank you for all advices smile
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mediavets

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Re: First 360 pano :)
Posted: 5 Dec 2013 at 13:14 GMT
No single lens is ideal for these various applications.

A fisheye is undoubtedly best for interior panoramas, but a regular wide angle is most useful fro general real estate photography.

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Anaconda

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Re: First 360 pano :)
Posted: 5 Dec 2013 at 18:12 GMT
I know one lens isn't perfect for everything :/ I haven't too much money now for 2 lenses. I think Canon 10-22mm is most universal from this choice wink
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mediavets

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Re: First 360 pano :)
Posted: 5 Dec 2013 at 20:38 GMT

Anaconda said:

I know one lens isn't perfect for everything :/ I haven't too much money now for 2 lenses. I think Canon 10-22mm is most universal from this choice wink


You will still be shooting (and stitching) a lot of images with the Canon 10-22mm wide angle lens.

www.vrwave.com/panoramic-lens-database/canon/

More images means more seams, and more possibility of stitching errors, and more possibility of 'featureless' images, more data to process, plus these wide angle lenses often have complex distortion patterns.

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Anaconda

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Re: First 360 pano :)
Posted: 5 Dec 2013 at 21:59 GMT
finally after several days of read I decided buy Samyang 8mm fisheye. If I want do panoramas I need fisheye !!! So Samyang should arrive monday smile I thought about this lens after Smooth thread (thank you). My preview idea was buy more universal lens but sometimes universal solutions aren't the best.

Minimum: (1.5x, 1.6x): 4 images every 90° at -15° pitch and a zenith image at +90° pitch (or +60°, for better overlap when generating control points)
Recommended: (1.5x, 1.6x): 5 or 6 images, every 72° or 60° at -15° pitch, with double zenith shots at +60° pitch (opposed)

from these settings I will choose 6 x 60 degrees at -15 pitch PLUS 2 x zenith (60 degrees)? Is it ok for zenith 2 x 60 degrees? Shouldn't be 2 x 90 degrees? How about nadir? Is it enough shoots to clone tripod in photoshop? Do you guys have your own tested settings for this lens? How many shoots and degrees for APS-C Canon? How about NN3 rail settings? I seen somewhere but for different lens wink

thank you for all advices smile
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Smooth

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Re: First 360 pano :)
Posted: 6 Dec 2013 at 4:31 GMT
Zenith shots should be +60° (180° Opposed)
Nadir shot can be done with Nodal Ninja Nadir Adapter, Hand Held or Tilted tripod.

I have tested this lens on Canon, Nikon and Sony NEX extensively. www.panoguide.com/forums/tipsntricks/7284/
It is good value for money. Shoot RAW and learn how to process/develop images.

You shouldn't ever reply on others for the rail settings. Spend the time to learn how to set up properly. We are happy to confirm your tests with a images.

Tried and true methods:
www.easypano.com/forum/display_topic_threads.asp?...
www.johnhpanos.com/epcalib.htm
www.rosaurophotography.com/html/technical7.html

Regards, Smooth cool
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Johnytuono

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Re: First 360 pano :)
Posted: 7 Dec 2013 at 20:29 GMT
Smooth.....what do you mean by this phrase please
"(180° Opposed)" for zenith shot if shooting +60
Thanks
John
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