siteplan
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I'm thinking of buying a used camera
Posted: 11 Nov 2012 at 1:02 GMT
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hey guys. I'm thinking of buying a used camera. Just wondering how many shutter count is too much for a used camera?
is 20k too much?
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DennisS
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Re: I'm thinking of buying a used camera
Posted: 11 Nov 2012 at 3:03 GMT
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Depends on the camera and who took the 20k pictures. I have purchased professional grade used cameras with anywhere between 5k and 80k clicks. None have failed me. As long as you are careful, you can find a good deal.
I believe Adorama sells used cameras at reasonable prices. 30 day return policy. I had to take advantage of it when I purchased a used Nikon D3. Nothing wrong with the camera, it was just not as good as a D3s (which I eventually ended up keeping).
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Re: I'm thinking of buying a used camera
Posted: 13 Nov 2012 at 0:57 GMT
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okay. i'm thinking of buying a used canon 5d mk2. some people are selling them on craigslist. what do I need to look for when buying a used camera? and what do you think is a fair price for these?
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Smooth
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Re: I'm thinking of buying a used camera
Posted: 13 Nov 2012 at 4:05 GMT
updated: 13 Nov 2012 at 4:06 GMT
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The only 100% way to know the shutter count on a Canon DSLR is to get it serviced by Canon and get a report. The service will cost $60 to $100. If the seller wants to sell get them to have it serviced before purchase and confirm the shutter count and condition.
While it's there being serviced have the dead pixels remapped (mapped out).
The Canon service will tell you everything you need to know about the secondhand camera. They will also professionally clean the sensor and mirrors.
I wouldn't touch a secondhand Canon any other way unless if was extremely cheap. The Canon 5D MKII should be good for a minimum of 150,000 shutter actuations.
Read this for what it's worth:
olegkikin.com/shutterlife/canon_eos5dmkii.htm
Worth a look and read:
www.canon5dtips.com/on-the-web/finding-the-number...
Regards, Smooth 
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DorinDXN
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Re: I'm thinking of buying a used camera
Posted: 13 Nov 2012 at 7:06 GMT
updated: 13 Nov 2012 at 7:11 GMT
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One of my Canon 350D camera has now 159,075 shutter count and I bought another one second hand which has now 41,352 (around 30,000 when I purchased it) as I'm using two cameras.
The counts are from the same registry as the service reads.
Is better to know the photographer who own it before. Appart from that, 20 k sounds ok for a SH camera.
cheers,
Dorin
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Gopro
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Re: I'm thinking of buying a used camera
Posted: 13 Nov 2012 at 9:55 GMT
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Smooth said: The only 100% way to know the shutter count on a Canon DSLR is to get it serviced by Canon and get a report./quote]
rubbish, i suggest before you go spouting off with your 100% theories you get your facts right first.
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Smooth
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Re: I'm thinking of buying a used camera
Posted: 13 Nov 2012 at 10:23 GMT
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Gopro said: Smooth said: The only 100% way to know the shutter count on a Canon DSLR is to get it serviced by Canon and get a report.
rubbish, i suggest before you go spouting off with your 100% theories you get your facts right first.
Oh, please inform us with your theory wise one.
I provided links to the "other" ways.
Thought you ran away swearing you'd never use this forum again because of favoritism? Remember after sending insulting personnel emails calling/reminding me that I'm an Australian C*nt. Followed by making a bigger goose of yourself on the panoguide forum.
Back under your rock Nopro.
Smooth
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simonone
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Re: I'm thinking of buying a used camera
Posted: 13 Nov 2012 at 10:25 GMT
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I have tens of thousands clicks on my old D70, and it never had an issue.
In my opinion the real concern about older-generation cameras is the lack of a cleaning defice to prevent dust on the sensor.
From this point of view the D70 (sold in 2004) was a nightmare. Regardless how much I cared after it and how expensive the cleaning servicings were, I always found dust spots on my best shots 
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DennisS
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Re: I'm thinking of buying a used camera
Posted: 13 Nov 2012 at 14:31 GMT
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simonone,
It is not the camera's fault you have dust spots. If you change lenses often you will get dust. If you change lenses outdoors, you are inviting dust. Whenever you change lenses you open the mirror box to dust. My wife's point and shoot with a fixed lens has dust on the sensor.
Having owned several cameras since the D2H era, I can say that these ultrasonic cleaners help a little, but are not a guarantee. That is why I learned to clean the sensor myself.
When camping or traveling to any place that is dirty, I carry two cameras. One has a Nikon 28-300 lens and the other has a Tokina 10-17. I never change the lenses and thus I seldom have dirt.
During a recent trip to Yellowstone the leader of the trip was changing lenses almost hourly. He got dust very quickly. When he discovered the dust he cleaned the sensor that evening in his hotel room. Problem solved.
Sensor cleaning supplies are always included in my camera bag wherever I go.
I also have a D70. Great camera. No nightmares.
The first thing I do when purchasing a used camera is clean the mirror box and sensor.
Dennis
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simonone
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Re: I'm thinking of buying a used camera
Posted: 13 Nov 2012 at 14:40 GMT
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I agree the D70 was a great camera, I still own it and I will keep it with me (when I wrote "sold in 2004" I meant it was sold to me in 2004)
But dust ended up spoiling my experience with it.
The DIY sensor cleaning kits have been a blessing, but the result didn't last too long.
Now I have a D7000, on which I change lenses very often. I set up the "sensor cleaning cycle" on every startup, and at 6250 shots I didn't encounter any dust issue yet.
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Smooth
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Re: I'm thinking of buying a used camera
Posted: 13 Nov 2012 at 15:06 GMT
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The older Nikon CCD "Charge-Coupled Device" sensor (like in the D70) sucked dust to it like a magnet. The newer D7000 has a SONY CMOS sensor and is far less prone.
Regards, Smooth
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hindenhaag
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Re: I'm thinking of buying a used camera
Posted: 13 Nov 2012 at 15:30 GMT
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Do not forget to check the lenses you are using, cleaning them at front and at the back.
Concerning shutter counts, the interesting moment is the "turn around", that means the moment the camera begins at 0 again.
On a Nikon you can not read this in exif data. This is written to a chip inside the body, which can only be diagnosed by a service point. May be it is the same with canon.
I would try to check a second hand camera like 5DII by the service point to be sure to get a well working camera and to avoid trouble and discussions.
Heinz
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DennisS
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Re: I'm thinking of buying a used camera
Posted: 13 Nov 2012 at 16:27 GMT
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Smooth said: The older Nikon CCD "Charge-Coupled Device" sensor (like in the D70) sucked dust to it like a magnet.
Good point. I forgot to consider the sensor type. I just got used to checking for dust and cleaning on a regular basis. I consider it life with a DSLR.
I also forgot to mention cleaning the back of your lens as well as any lens/body caps you may use. All are sources of microscopic particles which always find their way onto the sensor.
The next step is to carry a portable clean room just to change lenses in!
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burake
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Re: I'm thinking of buying a used camera
Posted: 13 Nov 2012 at 19:24 GMT
updated: 13 Nov 2012 at 19:27 GMT
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I have about 70.000 on my Canon EOS 50D...Working perfectly...5D2 must have even better quality...
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Darkhorse
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Re: I'm thinking of buying a used camera
Posted: 15 Nov 2012 at 2:39 GMT
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If your looking for a used body a good place to have a look is fredmiranda.com Do you research on past sales of that body for shutter counts. If gotten some good deals on lens and bodies. Good luck.
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