Pete Loud
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Panos in a market
Posted: 23 Jul 2008 at 14:18 GMT
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Hi Guys,
Just to show I didn't spend all of my time shooting Panos in Pubs here are a couple of panos I shot in an indoor market in Newcastle. As with pubs, the problem was with people moving.
www.peterloud.co.uk/photos/Newcastle/Nc_8a.html
My main interest in photography is social history so if you find these shots look very ordinary and not very interesting fair enough. I am looking 50 ahead to when things are very different, then they will be fascinating. When you've finished playing with the panos check out the webpages before & after and you'll see what I mean.
Cheers,
Pete
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mediavets
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Re: Panos in a market
Posted: 23 Jul 2008 at 14:52 GMT
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They're great - you did a wonderful job with the moving people.
Pineapples are cheap in't North aren't they!
Andrew
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Pete Loud
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Re: Panos in a market
Posted: 26 Jul 2008 at 12:23 GMT
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> Pineapples are cheap in't North aren't they!
Of course, they grow them up there!
And the girls are beautiful and sophisticated. And the streets are paved with gold 
I've just processed another couple of panos from the market and have them all on a new webpage at,
www.peterloud.co.uk/photos/Newcastle/Nc_8a.html
Check out those irresistable girls.
I am pushing these people panos to try and tempt, to challenge, some of you to have a try. I see lots of very good panos here, but most of them would be much more interesting with a few people in them.
Cheers,
Pete
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Mark Schuster
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Re: Panos in a market
Posted: 26 Jul 2008 at 13:29 GMT
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Pete declares, I am pushing these people panos to try and tempt, to challenge, some of you to have a try. I see lots of very good panos here, but most of them would be much more interesting with a few people in them
and I'll second that!
Mark 
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etegration
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Re: Panos in a market
Posted: 29 Jul 2008 at 20:06 GMT
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the other photographer's with you Pete? red bag on tripod.
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Pete Loud
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Re: Panos in a market
Posted: 30 Jul 2008 at 7:07 GMT
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Naa! He was young guy taking normal photos, he seemed to be doing a serious but slow job, because of these long alleys it was difficult not to have him in all my panos. I took another shot of this view so that I could exclude him but due to other peole walking around it would have been a messy insert, so I left the photograper in.
In some ways I don't mind him being there - the social history aspect. It indicates that people regard this market as an interesting place, and not just a shopping place for old age pensioners.
So what about some markets from Singapore? I think that there could be some interesting people panos along Serangoon Road. Chinatown is a bit too twee and touristy. It would be good to capture the people and colours of those small shops, before they are replaced by a modern shopping mall. They would be very difficult shots.
Pete
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ebig
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Re: Panos in a market
Posted: 30 Jul 2008 at 8:53 GMT
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Thanks for the views!
I presume the prices are in lbs and pence/lb.
They seem much more reasonable than here in Hawaii!
Ed
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etegration
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Re: Panos in a market
Posted: 6 Aug 2008 at 4:43 GMT
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Pete Loud said: Naa! He was young guy taking normal photos, he seemed to be doing a serious but slow job, because of these long alleys it was difficult not to have him in all my panos. I took another shot of this view so that I could exclude him but due to other peole walking around it would have been a messy insert, so I left the photograper in.
In some ways I don't mind him being there - the social history aspect. It indicates that people regard this market as an interesting place, and not just a shopping place for old age pensioners.
So what about some markets from Singapore? I think that there could be some interesting people panos along Serangoon Road. Chinatown is a bit too twee and touristy. It would be good to capture the people and colours of those small shops, before they are replaced by a modern shopping mall. They would be very difficult shots.
Pete
hi Pete, yes, there's also the old tiong bahru market which has been tore down and replaced with a multi storey food center which i really hope i had taken but i wasn't even into photography yet let alone doing pano back then.
Serangoon is a good place but i was thinking of one of the first Housing Estate in singapore, Toa Payoh which has many nice and old places around and in it to take. Hopefully with the public holidays coming this weekend, there'll be time. It's National Day in singapore this weekend which is the Independence Day of Singapore with display of fly bys of F16s, fireworks etc etc.
i just managed to get my hands on a fisheye and hopefully will be starting some more interesting panos.
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irieman
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softboot
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Re: Panos in a market
Posted: 6 Aug 2008 at 17:47 GMT
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Great stuff Peter, so how about a little info on your setup, that is always interesting to me. How many shots around etc and tripod? The people seem as though you are not there ! I have had that in a few instances with my fisheye as you aim one way and no one knows they are in the shot, but I have used my tripod in the past and it all seems very heavy to carry around sometimes. I just returned from Somerset and could of taken some wonderful panos but regretfully didnt take the equipment, only the body and kit lense  Any help or tips would be grateful and maybe more of us will have a go at a few 'people panos'.
Cheers, John G.
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Pete Loud
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Re: Night Panos in Street
Posted: 6 Aug 2008 at 18:40 GMT
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Hi irieman,
Those panos were very good. It was very dark and there were lots of people moving around. It was an extremely challenging situation and you did well.
ebig,
> I presume the prices are in lbs and pence/lb.
Yes, if you had checked the previous page of photos,
www.peterloud.co.uk/photos/Newcastle/Nc_8.html
you would have seen the prices there in 1973. Not only were the prices lower but the cuts of meat were lower quality. I find these 'social history' photographs much more interesting that garish orange sunsets etc.
Hi John G.,
I shot those panos with a Canon 350D with a Sigma f3.5 8mm lens. I used my £1.50 home made Nodal Samurai Pano-Head Bracket, www.nodalsamurai.co.uk/ and a £10 tripod.
I took about 10 shots around to give me plenty of redundancy for picking out good subjects and removing 'bad' subjects.
> The people seem as though you are not there !
I find that if I look as if I know what I'm doing, (even if I don't , and look a bit bored, then people ignore me. I think that people realise that I am trying to record something about their life and and are happy to be part of it.
Pete
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irieman
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Re: Night Panos in Street
Posted: 6 Aug 2008 at 20:09 GMT
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Hi Pete
I think that it is a lot easier when the crowd is all focused on a particular event - they tend to stay relatively still. Those bonfire panos were all shot with just 4 shots ( 5D with a shaved 10.5mm nikkor). I haven't tried - yet - to shoot a crowd where there is random movement and I expect that to be much harder. I'm particularly interested in shooting street festivals which was one reason why I bought the 10.5mm Nikkor and there are several coming up this summer so will be interesting to see how my technique ( using the monopod to rotate rapidly while staying stationary myself) copes.
Cheers
Bruce
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softboot
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Re: Night Panos in Street
Posted: 6 Aug 2008 at 20:11 GMT
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Thanks Pete, ya done well. I will one day get around to making the small panohead to use with the Sigma 8mm and monopod to save carryin the tripod. I plan to make a bracket to clamp around lens at the nodal point, have a screw fittin for monopod and fixed angle slightly up to take zenith shot. Its just getting the time to do it but if it works out it should make takin candid shots easier. My manfrotto 055Pro with leveller is way too heavy!
Thanks, john G.
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Pete Loud
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Re: Night Panos in Street
Posted: 7 Aug 2008 at 7:36 GMT
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Hi irieman,
Perhaps it's mis-leading when I say I shoot 10 shots around. What do in scenes such as the market is to shoot a basic pano perhaps 4-6 shots around. Ideally I would have as few people as possible on this basic pano. I then take extra shots with interesting people which I then merge/super-impose on the basic pano. With one set of photos I could probably produce two very different panos of the same place. It's not quite that simple, but at no point in time did the scene look like the pano. The big problems are motion blur and having the backs of people walking away from the camera. I prefer have people walking towards the camera.
A similar situation was with my night-time panos of Singapore. www.peterloud.co.uk/photos/SEAsia_07-08/Singapore...
Hi Softboot.
I think a monopod could be a good solution, but how do you make sure it is vertical, hence keeping the camera in exactly the same position?
Come to think of it, a monopod might be too discreet. If you are bold, have a very obvious big tripod etc. and look competent most people treat you seriously and don't spoil the picture.
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Pete Loud
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Indoor Market Photos
Posted: 8 Aug 2008 at 3:46 GMT
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Hi Guys,
Recently I've been plugging some Grainger Market panos that I shot a few weeks ago and and compared the prices on those recent photos with the prices in a photo on the preceding webpage that I took in 1972. By coincidence I received this email today.
hello my name is suzannah little and you have a photo of my grandad on your web site www.peterloud.co.uk/photos/Newcastle/Nc_8.html
Derek Haldon. was just wondering if you could send it to me, as he is not very well and am sure would love to see that his hard work was noticed thanks for your time.
I find little incidents like this make my rather mundane 'social history' photography so moving and rewarding.
Cheers,
Pete
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