Jan Zieba
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Hans Nyberg
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Re: Steem engine museum
Posted: 23 Jun 2008 at 20:48 GMT
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Hi Jan
I wanted to see your Museum site today but it just stops loading after 131 kb.
Both Safari and Firefox on Mac freezes and I have to do a Force Quit.
Same happens with this one.
The main site works fine.
Hans
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Jan Zieba
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Re: Steem engine museum
Posted: 23 Jun 2008 at 21:08 GMT
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Hi Hans
I hope it was only temporary problem.
I checked it on two different computers and everything worked well.
Jan
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Hans Nyberg
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Re: Steem engine museum
Posted: 23 Jun 2008 at 21:10 GMT
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No not really. It was yesterday and once earlier today and at last right now.
Hans
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bigwade
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Re: Steem engine museum
Posted: 23 Jun 2008 at 21:12 GMT
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Nice panos Jan,
No problems on my browser (safari)
The resolution is a bit low for my 24" screen but I like the presentation much like the mini views in the lower left corner.
Good work !
Have Fun!
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Jan Zieba
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Re: Steem engine museum
Posted: 23 Jun 2008 at 21:24 GMT
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I don't understand it.
I didn't change anyhing special on my site.
This virtual tour is similar to my previous.
It is first such signal.
Thanks for information Hans.
Unfortunatelly I don't know what to do with it ...
I will be greatfull for information from others if similar problem appears.
Jan
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Jan Zieba
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Re: Steem engine museum
Posted: 23 Jun 2008 at 21:32 GMT
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bigwade said: The resolution is a bit low for my 24" screen I always have this problem - how to design virtual tour - for 1024x768 standard resolution or recently popular big screen with 1680x1050 pixels.
Jan
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Hans Nyberg
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Re: Steem engine museum
Posted: 23 Jun 2008 at 22:24 GMT
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Jan
I think the problem is your movies.
I checked the sites on my MacBook 17 and they work perfect.
My G5 is actually exactly the same configuration.
Safari, OS 10.4.11 Same flash
Only difference is the processor which is a Powerpc 2.0 instead of the Intel 2.0
But the G5 freezes for along time. I leaved it and after about 2 minutes it suddenly started to load but then stopped for along time before I could move it.
After the first pano had loaded the other panos loads fast but the actual parsing takes 30 sec.
I have a 15 megabit connection so it is very fast. Normally loading takes 3 seconds.
That made me suspect that you used movies with 5x5 tiling so I saved one to check and I was right.
I seen several sites having this slow parsing and they all use 5x5 tiles movies. However I do not understand why your site also freezzes at the initial load.
I have actually seen at least 20 FPP sites today they all worked fine except your.
I would not use movies with tiling at all especially as you do not use streaming. I would just batch them all to standard movies with 6 cubefaces.
The movdecoder uses much more memory than cubefaces and on older computer it might not work at all.
Hans
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bigwade
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Re: Steem engine museum
Posted: 23 Jun 2008 at 22:30 GMT
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Safari 3.1.1 perfect
Firefox 2.0.0.14 loading a bit strange but all works.
iMac 24" OSX 10.4.11
1920x1200 pix.
The only thing is I have to click away the loadingscreen.
MacBook OSX 10.5.2 the same.
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Hans Nyberg
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Re: Steem engine museum
Posted: 23 Jun 2008 at 23:09 GMT
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I analyzed one of your movies in deliverator.
Your movies seems to contain previews but they are messed up in a way that makes them not visible when you load the QTVR.
The ordering of the tiles is also incorrect according to deliverator.
This might mess it up for the movdecoder.
The previews has been discussed on the forum and it is recommended to disable them.
This parameter can be used.
disablePreview=1
Hans
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Hans Nyberg
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Re: Steem engine museum
Posted: 24 Jun 2008 at 7:15 GMT
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Jan
I have done some tests own of my own movies.
Testmachine Mac dualcore 2.0 mhz G5 8 GB Ram. Safari
This is a standard 6 cubeface movie 4.5 mb download.
www.panoramas.dk/flash/cubeqtvr1.html
Moviedownload 6sec
Parsing the movie 7 sec.
This is the same but with 3x3 subtiling
www.panoramas.dk/flash/cubeqtvr3.html
Moviedownload 6sec
Parsing the movie 20 sec.
This has 5x5 subtiling
www.panoramas.dk/flash/cubeqtvr5.html
Moviedownload 6sec
Parsing the movie 60 sec.
I have not tested on other machines yet but I suspect that the problem might be much larger on an older slow machine. It might also be a specific problem with the movdecoder and the PPC processor.
However this does not explain the initial loading problem on your pages.
I checked my activity monitor for Safari and I can see that you have a stat script. s3.hit.stat.pl/cachedscript.js
That might be what blocks the load for a long time. I do not trust any of these scripts exept the Analytics and statcounter. I had similar problems with many other stats before.
You also have a small BW movie which I assume you want to load first.
It fits the size of the 130 kb which is when the page stops loading the first time.
Hans
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Jan Zieba
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Re: Steem engine museum
Posted: 24 Jun 2008 at 7:38 GMT
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Hans
Thanks for all your remarks and the time you spent on my site. They are very interesting and usefull.
Thank you very, very much.
I have to analise it all carefully today evening.
Jan
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Hans Nyberg
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Re: Steem engine museum
Posted: 24 Jun 2008 at 19:13 GMT
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Hello Jan
I found the problem.
As you see from the test above PowePC Macs seems to have a bug which delays the loading of many tiles if you do not have streaming of the tiles.
I checked my Powerbook 17 G4 and it took 2 minutes to parse the 5x5 movie after loading the movie.
If i use the parameter loaderStreamed = 1 to make it load the tiles streaming there is no problem.
So I assumed that the problem is the 150 tiles in a 5x5 movie and I discovered that you have a mini BW movie which is exactly the size were the loading stalls.
I checked it and it also had 5x5 tiling and after making a similar of my test movie I found that it takes 1 minute to load even if it is only 148kb.
If any Mac users with an older not intel Mac reads this check this one.
www.panoramas.dk/flash/cubeqtvr5mini.html
So your sites stalls at 118 or 131 kb first and then load the large movie which also stalls for 1 minute before it is loaded on the page.
As far as I can see it is only non Intel Macs which have the problem.
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Jan Zieba
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Re: Steem engine museum
Posted: 24 Jun 2008 at 22:11 GMT
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Thanks for information Hans
Jan
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BerndD
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