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klausesser

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Location: Duesseldorf, Germany
Registered: 18 Feb 2008
Museum Kunstpalast, Duesseldorf
Posted: 20 May 2013 at 21:56 GMT
Klapheck Retrospektive:

www.360impressions.de/Klapheck/

5D2, Nikon 35mm, Panoneed programmable head with TC handheld-controller, 45shots @20% overlap.

best, Klaus
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burake

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Location: Antalya, Turkey
Registered: 7 Jun 2012
Re: Museum Kunstpalast, Duesseldorf
Posted: 25 May 2013 at 8:20 GMT
Beautiful work Klaus. The amount one can "zoom in" is perfect. I use also PTP and I hate this "sawteeth like" distortion at the edges:



or look at the edges of the table and beneath the doors here in my example:




pano2vr is much better in this - but has other disadvantages sad

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Burak
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klausesser

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Location: Duesseldorf, Germany
Registered: 18 Feb 2008
Re: Museum Kunstpalast, Duesseldorf
Posted: 25 May 2013 at 16:37 GMT
updated: 25 May 2013 at 16:43 GMT
Hey Burak!

Sorry - i have it perfectly displayed here on my Apple 30" @2560x1600px
and my 17" MacBook Pro @120x1200px.

Look @100%!

Gusee it´s your your browser´s graphic engine, your graphic card or your display when you have jaggies @100%.

Viewing it scaled usually makes jaggies!

PTP provides me the best quality. I have pano2vr - but i don´t like to use it.

best, Klaus


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DennisS

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Location: Los Anglels, United States
Registered: 1 Sep 2007
Re: Museum Kunstpalast, Duesseldorf
Posted: 25 May 2013 at 17:43 GMT
No matter how close I zoom in, the picture looks as perfect as it could be.

Nice to finally see a gigapixel worth zooming in on. At least there is something to see instead of looking into apartment windows like most city gig panos are.

Well done.
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burake

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Location: Antalya, Turkey
Registered: 7 Jun 2012
Re: Museum Kunstpalast, Duesseldorf
Posted: 25 May 2013 at 20:36 GMT
Klaus thank you very much for the input. I really hate these "jaggies". I was thinking they are a bug of PTP beacuse in pano2vr they are much less. I'll check with the store where I've bought computer.
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Burak
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klausesser

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Location: Duesseldorf, Germany
Registered: 18 Feb 2008
Re: Museum Kunstpalast, Duesseldorf
Posted: 4 Jun 2013 at 17:46 GMT
Thank you, Dennis!

best, Klaus
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John Houghton

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Location: Hitchin, United Kingdom
Registered: 17 Jan 2005
Re: Museum Kunstpalast, Duesseldorf
Posted: 4 Jun 2013 at 21:00 GMT
I, too, see the aliasing artifacts but only on straight line features that are near to horizontal or vertical and at some ranges of the zoom setting. At first I thought the display in IE10 on my Windows 8 PC was clean, but I was able to produce the jaggies after a lot of manipulation of the panorama into various positions:



John
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burake

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Location: Antalya, Turkey
Registered: 7 Jun 2012
Re: Museum Kunstpalast, Duesseldorf
Posted: 4 Jun 2013 at 21:31 GMT
updated: 4 Jun 2013 at 21:38 GMT
John I discovered there's nothing wrong with my computer or graphic card. These jaggies "are there depending on one's zoom setings". When you zoom in to the maximum possible amount they disappear. The more you zoom out the stronger they get. When creating the tour one sets in PTP the max. amount of zooming in and out and I guess it chooses to display the pano at its best when max. zoomed in. In my example above is limit of zooming-in FOV 40 but the normal vieweing FOV is 70. And the screenshot is from the "normal viewing FOV". Strange because when I create my tours in pano2VR with the same FOV settings there are much less or nearly no jaggies at 70. For comparision you can have a look at this example:

www.bilisimfotograf.com/images/sanal-tur/ProfHYil...

This seems to be a problem of PTP (or krpano).

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Burak
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klausesser

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Location: Duesseldorf, Germany
Registered: 18 Feb 2008
Re: Museum Kunstpalast, Duesseldorf
Posted: 7 Jun 2013 at 22:38 GMT
Hi Burak!

Again: i don´t have any jaggies here, my colaborating partners also don´t.

I guess you pano doesn´t have 700MPx - does it?

So it might also be a compression-issue with your browser or so.

Look again:




Displayed on and screen-shot from a 30" Apple CinemaDisplay - 2560x1600px, Safari, captured @100% and 25%.

I don´t know where your problem is . . I suggest to update to the very latest KRPano-Viewer if you didn´t already.
krpano.com/news/

It´s definitely NOT a problem of PTP or KRPano - given you don´t have a 5 years old version!
They had issues at the time.

If there were jaggies be sure my clients would have complained already - because they payed a lot of money for the tours,

best, Klaus
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klausesser

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Location: Duesseldorf, Germany
Registered: 18 Feb 2008
Re: Museum Kunstpalast, Duesseldorf
Posted: 7 Jun 2013 at 22:48 GMT
updated: 7 Jun 2013 at 22:57 GMT
John - i have no idea where your issue might come from. But it´s definitely NOT in my data . .

As i wrote to Burak: my clients are very critical, they pay a lot for my work and they would have complained immediately IF there were jaggies or other artifacts.
It might be a hardware- or a bowser-isue . . . i don´t know.

I had no complaining about such an issue ever.

Don´t forget: my panos are hires - 700MPx each! Maybe it takes some time to display on your machine or browser . . !?

I used Pano2VR for testing the issue here - but it´s definitely not better than PanoTourPro or KRPano.
Definitely not. The issue doesn´t exist at all over here cool

best, Klaus

PS: hope you and burak are not somehow affiliated to P2VR? wink cool
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DennisS

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Location: Los Anglels, United States
Registered: 1 Sep 2007
Re: Museum Kunstpalast, Duesseldorf
Posted: 7 Jun 2013 at 23:15 GMT
No matter how close or far I zoom or how the pano is positioned in the window, I do NOT get the "jaggies". All I get is a very sharp image with wonderfully straight edges all over.
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klausesser

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Location: Duesseldorf, Germany
Registered: 18 Feb 2008
Re: Museum Kunstpalast, Duesseldorf
Posted: 8 Jun 2013 at 0:07 GMT
Thanks, Dennis . .

I indeed never heard about the issue yet - except from Burak and John.

best, Klaus
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Smooth

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Location: Mount Panorama, Australia
Registered: 21 Jul 2004
Re: Museum Kunstpalast, Duesseldorf
Posted: 8 Jun 2013 at 5:12 GMT
updated: 8 Jun 2013 at 5:13 GMT
The edges and lines are staying sharp for me using latest version of Flash and latest Opera browser. I do see Chromatic Aberration on the edges of the lines but no jaggies at any zoom level.

Regards, Smooth cool
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Flashificator

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Location: Lima, Peru
Registered: 16 May 2012
Re: Museum Kunstpalast, Duesseldorf
Posted: 8 Jun 2013 at 7:09 GMT
No jaggies on my end either. The issue is absolutely not found in the project itself, but must be on the viewing computer's end.

Windows8/Chrome browser (and feeling no need to test with other browsers or operating systems).

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John Houghton

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Location: Hitchin, United Kingdom
Registered: 17 Jan 2005
Re: Museum Kunstpalast, Duesseldorf
Posted: 8 Jun 2013 at 19:14 GMT
I have reproduced the jaggies on three different machines (one old PC with both XP and Win8 installed, one PC with Win8, and one laptop with Win8), and using Windows Internet Explorer, Google Chrome and Mozilla Firefox. Jaggies can be demonstrated with all combinations of browsers, hardware and operating systems. As Burake observed, it's important to adjust the zooming to just the right level and also the orientation of the panorama.

John
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