emilban
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M4-Card 360 the first commercial support for VR photographer based on DevalVR engine
Posted: 7 Mar 2008 at 17:32 GMT
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The M4-Card 360 consists of a foldable panorama postcard and a standard mini-CD or mini-DVD (8 cm). Thus, premium content like a multimedia presentation, containing a virtual tour including interactive 360° images can be added to the panorama postcard, delivering extra value to the client.
The M4-Card 360 reviewed:
- Product is unique, innovative and internationally patent protected.
- Ideal medium to combine postcards and multimedia tours, for example to enable self-guided interactive tours through cities, museums, and other tourist sites.
- Program can be executed automatically in full screen mode with further installation of software.
- Virtual tours are very user-friendly and equipped with a very easy-to-handle navigation.
- A standard mini-CD hold up to 200 MB of data, a standard mini-DVD 1.46 – 2.67 GB of data. All media can be used in any standard tray disk drive.
- The CD/DVD can easily be reattached to the foam clip for storage purposes.
Postcards convey emotions. A contemporary virtual 360° tour is a fantastic addition to the panorama postcard which, of course, can be personalized with a handwritten message. On top of that the receiving party can be immediately directed to special web-offers through integrated links in the presentation on CD/DVD.
Layout and content design of the M4-Card 360 can be delivered by the client. However, we welcome you to try our services in developing a complete layout and presentation, for example a virtual 360° self-guided tour. Please check out our sample tours on our website www.banat-media.eu and feel free to develop your own ideas. We are looking forward to do business with you.
You can order a free sample card from www.banat-media.eu or email to info@banat-media.eu
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Matt Rogers
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Re: M4-Card 360 the first commercial support for VR photographer based on DevalVR engine
Posted: 7 Mar 2008 at 22:03 GMT
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Just a few points, I don't want to rain on your parade but I'd be extremely cautious selling or sending out mini-CDs or mini-DVDs. If someone is stupid enough to put one of these in a Macbook Pro for example and it kills the drive you could be held liable. I worked for a new media agency in London for 12 months and the company lost a massive contract when a presentation was sent out on a mini-CD. The so called account manager at a big agency proceeded to try out the mini-CD in his 6 hour old powerbook and it lasted about 10 minutes longer as the mini-CD proceeded to kill his drive. Let's just say the company I worked for never received anymore work from this agency. This all happened even though the system requirements clearly stated that this disc should not be used in a slot loading drive, go figure.
Second point is I don't see any patent pending numbers. I also don't see how such a product can possibly be awarded a patent when mini-CDs have been used for such work from the early 90s. I remember producing VR presentations/tours on mini-CDs for Sothebys in '96-'97. I just can't see what is so unique about the M4-Card. And advertising non-patent protect products as protected is slightly illegal.
I've had a look at your products and I just can't see anything unique or innovative. I've seen dozens of such products over the past 10-12 years.
Don't get me wrong, they look professionally produced and have a place in the VR market. You just don't want to mis-sell them.
Matt
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Mark Schuster
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Re: M4-Card 360 the first commercial support for VR photographer based on DevalVR engine
Posted: 7 Mar 2008 at 23:42 GMT
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Seems it's the packaging that's patented
www.me4dia.com/englisch/home.htm
More indistructable plastic for our landfill sites.
I'm not a Mac user. Just as well after Matt's story about an erstwhile client. I bought a WiFi device which came with a mini-CD set-up disk - but no warning for Mac or slot-drive users. You have been warned! Thanks Matt.
Mark
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emilban
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Re: M4-Card 360 the first commercial support for VR photographer based on DevalVR engine
Posted: 9 Mar 2008 at 9:58 GMT
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Hallo Matt,
thanks for your "judgement" for a product you never hold in the hand...becouse on the backside of the cards you can read: "The MiniCd runs in regular tray-loading Cd drivers on current MS Windows systems (2000,XP,Vista)"
"I've seen dozens of such products over the past 10-12 years." - OK...can you send or show me a link were I can find a panoramacard with embedded cd witch contents a 360° virtual tour with all that features from M4-Card 360?
Banat Media is a partner enterpriser of the company me4dia.
Of course we HAVE NOT patented the MiniCD...our patent is only for the M4-Card and the M4-Card 360 is an extension of it...
I am still available for other infos to you with pleasure...
Regards
Emil Banciu
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emilban
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Re: M4-Card 360 the first commercial support for VR photographer based on DevalVR engine
Posted: 9 Mar 2008 at 10:06 GMT
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Hallo Mark
See the reply for Matt...
"More indistructable plastic for our landfill sites."...
- the card is formed from paper/cartoon and not plastic...
- The MiniCd takes the same recycling way as another millions Cd from the software,video,film,music-industry...and it is just MINI... 
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spyboy
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Re: M4-Card 360 the first commercial support for VR photographer based on DevalVR engine
Posted: 9 Mar 2008 at 11:12 GMT
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Wouldn't it just be easier to send them a link to a website with all the samples they need?
I've thought the mini cd concept was great but have always had issues with it. The biggest concern was balance. On 52x cd drives (tray loading) the disc would spin up/down up/down constantly, because it rotated so fast and wasn't balanced (because it's not a full circle). Sounded like my drive was going to explode.
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DorinDXN
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Re: M4-Card 360 the first commercial support for VR photographer based on DevalVR engine,
Posted: 9 Mar 2008 at 12:17 GMT
updated: 9 Mar 2008 at 12:36 GMT
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Hi! just to balance some oppinions here and to encourage a nice initiative and a product using the great DevalVR 
I received from Emil, thank you very much, one m4-card.
Now I'm looking at it and it is really a nice piece.
About mini-cds. Think of those pretty spy ladies in the movies, they lift up a secret cover in the powder case and take out from there a.. mini-cd on which save or steal all the secrets of the world...
The cd/dvd will be smaller no doubth (rememeber the size of the old floppy disks and I'm not thinking of the 5 1/4 but the original bigger one 8 inch)
So if a cd-rom drive doesn't play or even dies playing a mini-cd.. is the manufacturer fault or manufacturer chance to produce a new better one with speed managament. The destiny of the older one is to die eventually.
Dorin
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emilban
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Re: M4-Card 360 the first commercial support for VR photographer based on DevalVR engine
Posted: 9 Mar 2008 at 12:40 GMT
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"Wouldn't it just be easier to send them a link to a website with all the samples they need?"...
- just scroll a little higher and you found all what you need, inclusive free downloads and the possibility to order a free sample..
We know that the miniCD is not a standard CD ... and their could be some problems in different applications, but me4dia have produced and sold to thousands of M4 Cards with minicD and there were no complaints about miniCD...
By the way, have somebody downloaded and view any tour?
or get somebody the sample...to lead a constructive conversation...
Regards
Emil
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Andrei Zdetovetchi
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Re: M4-Card 360 the first commercial support for VR photographer based on DevalVR engine
Posted: 11 Mar 2008 at 10:05 GMT
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Personally, I think it's a nice idea to get together a postcard and a miniCD. And it get's more nicer when you get a foldable postcard in panoramic format and a cd with more panos, aka a virtual tour.
People are producing postcards and offline virtual tours for a long time. But I don't recall to ever see or buy a postcard with a miniCD attached.
The content of the cd I bet it's not limited to Windows or MacOS or whatever. It's the choice of whoever makes that virtual tour.
I like the idea because for me, as a panoramic photographer it's a way to get more exposure and reach people without internet connection or without broadband and deliver my panos to a higher quality. Also it's an additional service(product) that I can offer to my clients.
So, I don't get it, why all this fuzz about miniCDs? You don't need a high IQ to figure out that you can't use it on a slot based cd drive! Moreover it already has a warning written on the card. I even risked and tried to put it into my cd drive on my laptop (I don't have a tray) and it wouldn't suck my miniCD like it does with the normal CDs. So I stopped trying and no harm was done to my drive. But I guess that someone dumb enough will keep trying and forcing until something get's damaged...
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Matt Rogers
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Re: M4-Card 360 the first commercial support for VR photographer based on DevalVR engine
Posted: 11 Mar 2008 at 10:40 GMT
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Andrei Zdetovetchi said: So, I don't get it, why all this fuzz about miniCDs? You don't need a high IQ to figure out that you can't use it on a slot based cd drive! Moreover it already has a warning written on the card. I even risked and tried to put it into my cd drive on my laptop (I don't have a tray) and it wouldn't suck my miniCD like it does with the normal CDs. So I stopped trying and no harm was done to my drive. But I guess that someone dumb enough will keep trying and forcing until something get's damaged...
No you don't need a high IQ but you'd be surprised how computer illiterate the general computing public is. And this is a big problem for our industry as a whole. What seems obvious to us and others that use computers to produce content is far from obvious for people trying to view/use the content we create. I've been amazed on numerous occasions at how long it can take to explain to people how panoramas and virtual tours work. Yet to us it's so obvious and by thinking it's just as obvious to everyone else is a big problem.
Matt
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emilban
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Re: M4-Card 360 the first commercial support for VR photographer based on DevalVR engine
Posted: 11 Mar 2008 at 13:12 GMT
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Matt has right when he says that some user has a problem with 360 panos and virtual tours...however, is this not given to the M4-Card 360 to make the 360 tours popular in a large audience?
By the way, for all these who have a problem with the miniCD, we are working at a "jumbo" format that contents a normal CD...and for Mac user is still the Quick Time format available...
Anyway, on the CD (mini or normal) everybody can place his own format, presentation and so one...
Regards
Emil
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DorinDXN
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Re: M4-Card 360 the first commercial support for VR photographer based on DevalVR engine
Posted: 24 Mar 2008 at 13:06 GMT
updated: 24 Mar 2008 at 13:11 GMT
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Hi all, I studied this M4-Card and I particulary found very interesting the Postcard variant, I received one from Mr. Banciu and I have an idea.
I want to send this poscard called "Old Timisoara" with mini-CD which contain 200 digitalized old poscards.
I want to send it via regular mail to the most distant from me (in KM measured on Google Earth) memeber of Panoguide forum which reply here or via PM durring one month period from now. You don't need to give here postal address only roughly the region to point on Google Earth. If one will look the most distant then I'll ask to kindly provide the address via PM.
The postcard looks like this
thanks,
Dorin
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Smooth
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Re: M4-Card 360 the first commercial support for VR photographer based on DevalVR engine
Posted: 24 Mar 2008 at 13:54 GMT
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DorinDXN said: I want to send this poscard called "Old Timisoara" with mini-CD which contain 200 digitalized old poscards.
I want to send it via regular mail to the most distant from me (in KM measured on Google Earth) memeber of Panoguide forum which reply here or via PM durring one month period from now.
thanks,
Dorin
OK, I'll play.
33°25"10.98"S - 149°34'27".22E
Bathurst, Australia
Regards, Smooth 
www.smooth360.com
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Doug Aurand
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Re: M4-Card 360 the first commercial support for VR photographer based on DevalVR engine
Posted: 24 Mar 2008 at 14:29 GMT
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I think Smooth has the longest distance from Romania hands down.
The packaging of the Postcard CD is really sharp.
I reluctantly stopped using printable Mini-CDs after 2 problems; a Mac user put one in his non-tray type DVD/CD drive even with instructions on the CD to only use it with tray type DVD/CD drives and had to have the local Mac repair shop remove it, and some of the "stylish" doors in front of the DVD/CD tray on HP desktops were popping the Mini-CD out of place as it closed.
Also, more than a few uninformed computer users didn't realize the Mini-CDs could be used on almost any standard tray-type DVD/CD drive.
Since I have a Director Projector for .w3d virtual images designed to be launched from a CD that I will be using to demonstrate my work, the standard size CDs were the best way to get the most potential customers to try it out.
Later
Doug Aurand
Albuquerque, NM
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fiero
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Re: M4-Card 360 the first commercial support for VR photographer based on DevalVR engine
Posted: 24 Mar 2008 at 16:18 GMT
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emilban,
What about to use standard CD/DVD for this kind of support?
Some postal cards are a bit bigger than a standard CD. And this will solve the problem with non-tray type DVD/CD drive.
regards!
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